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I have the Serie A league use VAR in he last 3 seasons. and i have not hear one single complains about it. i wonder why are the teams in the premier league struggling with it. does that have to do with the understanding of the system referees? may be they are not familiar with the system and needs time to understand. or do Serie A have better people to operate with the system than the premier league does?
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3p’s, from what you mentioned, I often see that in Tennis and even the slightest of traces showing the ball touching the line for example determines it’s in.
It is harsh on the player not benefitting from the call.
I just hope in Football, we try and be as sensible and as fair as possible.
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Both Chelsea and Liverpool benefited the VAR decision today.
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Both correct decisions though cm mate
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Agree with that Sean.
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The answer to the basic question for this thread is BOTH!
A blessing whereby some important decisions can be corrected eg Mane handball v Utd.A curse as too much time is wasted on hairline offside decisions and the current inability to use the system properly!
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Adlab, re the offside decisions better to wait a minute or two and get the right decision.
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long as it is a minute or 2…
VAR CAN WORK, its just being made to NO WORK right now, its the human factor not the idea or tech…
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As threeps rightly said yesterday Stevo it’s working well with offsides and handballs but there’s no human factor in them it’s a black and white decision with VAR.
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Regarding offsides, whilst I think they work from a technical point of view but is anyone else noticing that the linesmen seem more reluctant to put their flag up on close decisions? Maybe they feel safe in the knowledge that if it’s a goal then it will be reviewed so they play on with no harm done.
My issue is, and there was an incident like this in the Man Utd vs LFC game, that they play on thinking as above but a goal does not happen but instead a corner, so no review obviously. What if Utd scored from the corner? Which on this occasion needing a very good head behind from VvD to avoid doing so.
The human side of it all needs looking at. First and foremost the officials on the pitch need to up their game and not be reliant on the technology, it should only be as a back up. I feel VAR has made our officials take the easy route too often and thus have a negative impact on the game.
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threeps, I think Linesman have been told to keep their flags down and rely on VAR as they could create problems by raising it where players stop on seeing it.
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Nine are you seeing the problem this causes?
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threeps, as you said yesterday “VAR is getting the offside and handballs correct as they are pretty much black and white with the new rules.”
I understand what you say about potential knock on issues but nothing is completely perfect and personally I would rather get the offside decisions right rather than worry over whether a goal might be scored from the knock on effect of a corner because offside hadn’t been picked up previously.
Overall I think it’s better leaving offsides to VAR.
I’m not saying that’s right it’s just my personal opinion. Cheers 9’s
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This is such a difficult one. Just like Brexit. Not everybody will be happy. I bet we end up discussing this for the next 30 games.
VAR as a concept I like. The method of application is the problem. Refs supporting refs. It is unlikely to work yet it does in Rugby Union.
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Adlab remember VAR was going to be the death knell of all debate 😀
Nine, respect your opinion, but it does then beg the question what is the point of even having linesmen if they have been told to keep their flags down and leave it to VAR? Surely that’s their main job.
Anyway I’ll leave it here with this one, I’m sure the topic will run on and on!
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threeps, to be fair Linesmen are used for more decisions than just offside but whether the Linesmen flags or not for offside the deciding factor on offsides currently will always be via VAR. And we’re both agreed that under VAR offsides are now black and hits decisions.
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Forgetting VAR, offside isnt the problem it once was. Refs have gotten very good at determining it by eye, in almost all cases. It’;s the other decisions that have not caught up, for me. VAR is currently not resolving any of the core issues int he game regards to decisions. So far it’s a failure but it’s in such an early stage, with teething problems. I guess we’ve got to grin and bare it. I just don’t have too much faith in an organization that is already showing signs of maintaining a boys club way of operating. That is what has to stop.
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Mak.
Thats exactlt the point I was making.
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Because Chelsea got the VAR decision in our favour, and suddenly there is an outrage, can you believe? you know these ex players from the rival clubs will always drive this conspiracy. you know we accepted when the system said it was offside when we scored. i don’t know why people are running these conspiracy by bringing pictures only to prove that the guy was onside. how can a picture only prove something. to be honest i would have anyway accepted if that goal was allowed to stood. but these conspiracy has gone under my skin. why it has to be an outrage when Chelsea gets the decision in our favour?
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VAR is great best thing to happen to football but can you believe these guys with the evidence frozen right in front of them still can’t get it right, heaven forbid they on the field without technology to help them.
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