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The problem is whrn it goes to var, they are still getting it wrong.
Maguire, le celso, Kdb handball. All clear decisions not given
It’s ridiculous what they are calling wrong
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Sean, the original call for technology to help the on field ref was to stop the howlers being missed, trouble is they’re using it to micro analyse incidents you’d never get 100% right at normal speed with the human eye and most fans would accept that you win some, lose some, but still missing the errors that are blatantly obvious to everyone except the one person that matters.
Pitch side monitor or VR goggles is the way to go for me, let the ref self critique…..Pagan
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Ye I agree pagan. How come it’s such a shit show when in the World Cup it went ok?
They are over using var. nearly every goal goes to var mate
I’ve heard people say well it’s the 2st season in the pl using the technology but they are using it all wrong and getting so many decisions wrong
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Sean, because it’s not being used for what it’s meant to be used for. Irrespective of whether it’s the ref or the 5th official, they should look at an incident from a couple of angles and either be happy with the decision made at the time or not. Instead they micro analyse in order to justify the technology. The technology is there so when the refs sat at home after the match he doesn’t beat himself up knowing he’s made a glaring error, instead it’s being used pedantically for every incident…..Pagan
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Humans have ruined the technology but the technology is not fit for purpose either. Rules need to explained in a no nonsense way, (toe nails, thumbs etc mm over does not count) I do not mind technology being brought in to help, particularly goal line technology but offsides..no…that is why we employ lines people or god without the lines people Retrospective fouls don’t think so particularly if brought in 5 minutes later…so what we have been watching counts for nothing!!! Stop the game and sort it within 1 minute!!!
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If you try and think of the absolute howlers from the past, the Spurs “goal” against Man United, Lampard “goal” against the Germans spring to mind, but we’ve fixed that with goal line technology, there’s the hand of god goal, but other than that nothing really rankles with me.
I sure others out there will have more examples, but over this season so far how many actual howlers have been corrected compared to the things you’d accept the officials would never see in real time, in essence how many times has it done what it’s really there for….Pagan
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David Coote was the VAR in the Chelsea Spurs game who was vastly less experienced than match Referee Michael Oliver.
Had the Referee on Monday night and Saturday lunch time viewed the pitch side monitor I suspect different decisions would have been made. It’s not the technology that’s wrong it’s humans not capable of interpreting it properly and how it’s being used.
Adopt the Wenger plan for offsides and take the shackles of the match day Ref’s and allow them to view the TV monitor for serious foul play and a lot of these problems would be solved.
Meeting of IFAB on Saturday in N. Ireland. Something might come out of that.
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Nine…I think I read somewhere that IFAB said it would not be on the Agenda because they had to discuss it internally first. A political response!!!!
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9,
David Coote was the VAR in the Chelsea Spurs game who was vastly less experienced than match Referee Michael Oliver.
I would say David Coote in refereeing terms is vastly more experienced than the majority of those that watched the game, yet everyone else knew it was a red card offence.
The Wenger plan will still have the same problem, the only difference is you now have 3 lines to see if there’s a toe over. Just go with the lino unless it’s glaringly obvious he or she has got it wrong…..Pagan
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Pagan, love it or loathe it we are stuck with VAR and we won’t be going back to linesmen for offsides, football is about goals give the advantage back to the attacker that’s what Wenger’s proposal does. Ironically offside is working well under VAR in fact too well which is why so many goals have been ruled out on marginal decisions.
Match day Referees have to be given the right to use the pitch side monitors for serious foul play had Oliver been able to see what we all saw on Saturday Lo Celso would have been sent off.
Only Coote knows why he ruled as he did given what he could see as Frank said it just wasn’t good enough.
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Brian, maybe not Wenger’s proposal but from what I’ve read VAR is definitely on the agenda at the IFAB meeting at the weekend.
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9, you know my stance on offside, it’s not just about the position of the players, it’s about the time the ball being move forward, until that’s addressed you can’t say it’s definitively offside or not. Strange they never show it….Pagan
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Pagan, nothing will change this season but I will be suprised if we don’t see changes to VAR for next season.
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David Coote has been dropped from Premier League duty this weekend.
The referee was in the headlines for all the wrong reasons last weekend as he was the official who admitted to making a mistake during Chelsea’s 2-1 win over Tottenham Hotspur at Stamford Bridge.
Coote inexplicably was kept on to be the VAR for the Leicester v City game on Saturday evening where he made more questionable decisions.
The right decision by the PGMOL.
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Nine, I think you are right re IFAB, got confused in my old age…it was Wanglers proposal….which should have, at least, been discussed and is part of the overall picture
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I don’t know what VAR is upto. but was that even a red? yellow would have been fair in my opinion. but red was harsh. meanwhile they only suspended the offical that missed the Lo Celso incident which didn’t affect the game, and let off the hook the man who missed the Maguire incident which has impacted the game. the system have its owners.?
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It was a red card Chelseaman you can’t do what Alonso did and expect to stay on the pitch.
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