21st October 2019 at 6:25 pm #50684
Manes was handball correct decision
Origis was a clear foul incorrect decision
Kdb clear pen at weekend not given
Var is working well for some decisions but still so many crazy decisions21st October 2019 at 6:32 pm #50686
Sean, handball, yes by the current law, foul on Ogiri? My thoughts are it’s a contact sport and if all contact becomes a foul, then that’s no longer the case, I’m sure if I walked up behind you and gave you a little tap with my toe on your calf you’d not be best pleased, but I doubt you’d throw yourself to the floor. For me he was playing for a penalty by vastly exaggerating minimal contact. I’m also sure you’d know the difference between your left calf and right ankle…..Pagan21st October 2019 at 6:52 pm #50687Chucky McChuckfaceParticipant517 pts
I don’t there is any room to doubt the Mane handball, stupid rule and perhaps very harsh, but it did touch his hand (intent doesn’t matter these days) so it pretty much is black and white. We can argue about the rule, but there is nothing to argue about the decision that was made.
As for the Origi “foul”, I’m with Peggy on this for pretty much all the reasons mentioned above, and very similar to what I’ve already mentioned in other comments about it today. If you start giving fouls for that then you might as well make it a non-contact sport. Touch another player, then it’s a foul… then it will be black and white… nobody can argue about it and then the game is dead.21st October 2019 at 7:47 pm #50688
For me it’s a clear foul coming in from behind pagan. Every time I see it, the more clear cut is. You see frees given for much less
We don’t agree. That’s fine mate
Totally over acted mate but a foul in my few especially because of some of the soft frees Atkinson was giving utd21st October 2019 at 7:50 pm #50691
Also pagan, it wasn’t anywhere near the penalty area. On another note why did Atkinson stop the game for James been on the deck but not for Origi?
Very inconsistent and he was absolutely dreadful but we never get anything off him.
Ole called him
Mom ?21st October 2019 at 8:06 pm #50692
Sean, yep, it should have read free kick, well he didn’t stop it as it was blatantly obvious he wasn’t hurt. As he didn’t think it was a foul he wouldn’t stop the game, although he could have stopped it for a head injury as he may have banged his head when he dived to the ground.
The question you have to ask is was the minimal contact enough to put him to ground, if not then he threw himself to the ground in order to con the ref. It’s a bit like a fisherman’s tale, he may have caught a fish, but not the monster he says it was. So when does the exaggeration become a lie? and is lying cheating?
Yes you see free kicks given for less, that doesn’t make it right though, I for one am fed up with diving, exaggeration, blatantly claiming throw ins and corners when it clearly the other way…Pagan21st October 2019 at 8:08 pm #50693
No worries pagan. Some of that post did make me laugh ?21st October 2019 at 8:13 pm #50696
That’s the thing about footy, you have to laugh otherwise you’d go mad, VAR sold as the magic bullet to solve all the reffing problems, not quite Ronseal is it, glad it amused you….Pagan21st October 2019 at 8:27 pm #50700nine nine nineModerator915 pts
I thought it was a foul on Origi but the contact was so minimal and Origi so over exaggerated the contact that Atkinson didn’t give it.
Given all of the above the VAR seemingly didn’t think there was enough to over rule the Referee as in the VAR’s opinion seemingly he deemed it not to be a clear and obvious error.21st October 2019 at 8:59 pm #50703MikusParticipant213 pts
Why aren’t referees using the pitch side monitors?
The matter may be discussed at a meeting of Premier League clubs next month.
“The referee always has the ability to go and look at the monitor if that’s what they choose to do,” Mike Riley, PGMOL managing director, told Sky Sports News after a club meeting last month. “We have to balance not impacting on the speed and flow of the game.”
PGMOL bosses have not felt the need to review whether they should instruct officials to use the pitchside monitors more frequently and referees are understood to remain “pleased” with how VAR has been implemented.
Sounds like an authority patting themselves too much on the back for my liking. And even if there were some referees that want to criticise it, would they have the freedom to do so or be listened to?21st October 2019 at 9:13 pm #50704newbalanceSpectator190 pts
A wise lesson to be learned when away from home. You have to play to the whistle. I have to say it doesn’t help when Martin Atkinson is your Match Referee.
There was a clear expectation of the game being brought back after the Origi foul, and Liverpool unfortunately got caught out on the counter.
I’d like to see ‘behind the scenes’ how VAR is managed and by who.21st October 2019 at 9:20 pm #50705
Blimey Mr. Balance, I thought you loved VAR, has something happened recently that’s changed your mind??…Pagan21st October 2019 at 10:14 pm #50712Chelsea.manParticipant139 pts
You have to accept that things will not always go in your way always. sometimes the VAR mistakes may affect your team. by the letter of the rule, the VAR took the correct decision in both incidents. the Mane goal was correctly ruled out for hand ball, and the Origi foul was a soft foul at best in my opinion. yesterday Liverpool were not at their best. and Klopp was using the Fergie trick to distract the media from his team’s performance.22nd October 2019 at 10:11 am #50735
Its clearly not VAR that is the issue, its the fat pot bellied drunken mess of men who now shout at VAR and continue to dig out officials over decisions because their own lives are a horror show. Ultimately, it is getting more decisions correct than wrong, which is a great thing… They will iron out its use over the coming season and beyond.
Wont be long before cameras will pick up on the pot bellied racists and we can give them a red card too.22nd October 2019 at 11:16 am #50742threepsParticipant175 pts
VAR is getting the offside and handballs correct as they are pretty much black and white with the new rules. Where VAR is failing is when a decision has to be made that goes against the match day ref. A foul leading to a goal or a penalty claimed that has been dismissed.
The mandate is a clear and obvious error. I believe the threshold to be deemed clear and obvious is set too high. Coupled by lesser experienced refs monitoring VAR and maybe reluctant to go against their peers very few decisions have been correctly overturned. In fact once so far according to the telegraph.
Theres a meeting soon between the top european leagues respective VAR people to see how it’s going. But as its PGMOL reporting about themselves I’d expect everything to be just fine and nothing be done.22nd October 2019 at 11:38 am #50743
Threeps… Other sports have gotten it right. Cricket referrals now in comparison to what they were when it was introduced have aided the game and improved it. Its only a few tweaks away from being a brilliant system in the areas you mention. Its only really been introduced to the league this year, after trials so there will be teething issues.
Tennis has benefitted from the introduction of hawk eye.
Rugby has a brilliant use of it and third refs and tech. Look at the elbow incident in Wales game and the way the ref communicates with players and stand based officials.
I guess we should be thinking in terms of giving new technology time. the goal line technology has improved things hasn’t it and the ref really needs to start communicating with the VAR officials more during the game. I think I posted a link on here with a Welsh or English ref who used VAR in An Aussie football match recently. Exactly how a game should be run.22nd October 2019 at 12:03 pm #50744threepsParticipant175 pts
I know it works well in other sports, I’m not against VAR in football if it works correctly, but at the moment it doesn’t. Having teething issues doesn’t cut the mustard for me, not at elite level sports with millions of pounds floating around.
And how long do they need to sort out these problems? It’s mentioned every week on the back pages the issues, pundits have lambasted and it seems fans are far from happy. But we are now 180 games played into the season and still the same issues are happening. One decision over-ruled! Not a single ref has consulted the pitch side monitor! (I didn’t even know the PL had them to be honest).
I have to say it is ruining my enjoyment of the game. I was even swearing at the TV when City didn’t get a clear penalty the other day and I was desperate for them to drop points, that shows how I feel about it! 😀
edit: and I’m not even pot-bellied!22nd October 2019 at 12:31 pm #50750LuckydestinyBlocked110 pts
you may not be pot bellied threeps but is your life a horror show? 🙂22nd October 2019 at 2:48 pm #50759
Threeps… You say VAR is ruining your enjoyment, but, you’re basically arguing that getting the wrong decisions in football is better than getting it right. Im sure you’ll be supporting your club years from now despite VAR.
Referees get 95 percent of the decisions correct, VAR is designed to only correct that 5 percent.
Glad you work out, not sure lucky can pick up a pear let alone a weight at the gym if his school portrait is anything to go by.22nd October 2019 at 2:52 pm #50760LuckydestinyBlocked110 pts
Chill out bp
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