19th August 2019 at 1:16 am #45783
” it is supposed to cover the game, if it did that, the game would be stopping every few minutes in some matches. I do not know the answer Mak but I can only see it getting worse if nothing is done.”
VAR is only for red cards, goals and penalties. In the case of checking a goal that has been scored, the game isn’t technically being stopped by it but ya, this is the actual nasty side of it for me (people holding their celebrations). The thing is, there was a time when you’d hold your celebration for the linesman. That seems to be gone now, or is it just me?
I will add that on close calls that might require time to review, or that are so close that it’s hard to call, the decision should be given to a default advantage (like old offside where attacker was given advantage, or whatever it was.) Eg. *someone scores and its up for VAR… replays show incredibly marginal call… VAR officials call marginal and award the goal* so I am still giving the officials their own judgment, they get to weed out the ridiculous calls like a person 2 yards offside etc.. after that the speed of the game must be considered and they just flush the check and get back to the game.
The thing is, in the not too distant future, AI will be able to check more and more of this stuff instantly. Really. We’re not there yet though, so we’ve got to be smart about it and it can definitely be done in a better way than what we have today… easily.19th August 2019 at 2:26 pm #45824
I agree with the human elements of the VAR should improve. however, no one seems to say exactly how that should be done. for example, some are suggesting the relaxing of the rules. and when you do that, you will have another group who will always be unhappy should the ball touch the arm and a goal is scored on the process. so getting that balance between operating with the VAR and not taking the passion from the game is still elusive.
I’m firmly in the camp that believes, the VAR should be used about the contested incidents, not like it is used this time.19th August 2019 at 2:36 pm #45825
Chelseaman, it’s been said more than the once on here now but you have to seperate the two the new hand ball rule has nothing to do with VAR it’s the new hand ball that is wrong not VAR!
Bonkers to have a handball rule that denies a goal and gives a free kick for a ball that touches a players arm when it’s the attacking team but give nothing when the same thing happens to a player when it’s the defending team.
As Mark Halsey said on Talksport today the laws an Ass!
Hand ball is hand ball and unintentional handball shouldn’t be penalised at either end period!!!19th August 2019 at 4:46 pm #45829
Brian blueParticipant214 pts
The fact that is that most find the changes have not been explained sufficiently, so, not just the players but the fans on the seats understand what is happening. They will walk if this is not corrected. I noticed in the test match yesterday, even with camera they got it hopelessly wrong, the Australian batsman should not have been given out, the ball clearly touching the ground, yet somebody viewing this in a box says OUT, human error beats technology again
It would appear to me, first , they have to get the laws sorted out then there has to be a clear understanding with the technology being used it is capable of doing what is necessary and lastly a complete understanding between Ref/VAR/Human interface I am sure in time they will get it right but right now it is lacking in all departments. I also think the Refs will abdicate from a lot of responsibility and leave it to VAR, this could go either way. If Refereeing standards were higher there would be no need for VAR but they have not been good for years now so VAR will be viable and when the technlogy gets better it will have benifits.19th August 2019 at 4:53 pm #45830
Brian blueParticipant214 pts
Chuky…you are right, the stadium went crazy thinking that was the winning goal. Even Spurs players thought it was, when it was reversed even the Spurs players laughed. I do not believe it even out over a season….in fact, by the same logic…it could get worse!!! I hope not. I have moved on now and the only thing in my mind is Bournemouth on Saturday4th October 2019 at 2:12 pm #49267
steveosnakeeyeParticipant108 pts4th October 2019 at 5:50 pm #49286
The OracleParticipant6 pts
VAR is fine, the way humans interpret it leaves a lot to be desired. What worries me is officials now know they have a get out of jail card when they mess up. Can’t see Harry Maguire standing in front of you playing Abameyang onside by 3 yards so you put your flag up because it’s at Old Trafford. VAR corrected the error and the correct decision is given7th October 2019 at 9:10 am #49651
VAR has opened up more can of worms. Mane went down easily, but there was contact, yet about a month ago Martial was was being held by a player, which resulted in him losing his balance before just before he took his shot and that was deemed not enough contact for him to go down. Dermot Gallagher was saying the Martial incident was correct by the ref, but a few are saying the Mane incident was correct too. So what is deemed not enough contact because if you compare the 2, there was a lot more contact in the Martial incident in comparison to the Mane incident?7th October 2019 at 9:26 am #49654
cm,I’m not singling anyone out here because we all have them but the game needs retrospective bans for diving judged on a Monday until we get that players will continue to dive.
Implement that and within 6 months diving would be almost eliminated.
VAR imo would never have turned the Mane penalty down because it would have made the Ref look bad but equally had it not been given by the Ref and been the subject of a VAR review I doubt it would have been given.
The problem with VAR is that offsides aside which are pretty specific if not currently a bit too pedantic with centimetre offside decisions it’s still just down to the human judgement of the Video Referee.7th October 2019 at 9:39 am #49656
Agree with you Nine. One issue I have had with that 1 offside call last Monday was the linesman putting his flag up when he did. It was a obvious error my linesman and Aubameyang was clearly onside, the linesman should have waited till the ball was in the back of the net before doing so. Thats how it was done during the previous world cup. A few United players saw the flag and stopped running.
Not saying it would have made a difference, yet in a different game and different situation where the player could have tracked back and blocked the shot, yet he didn’t because he thought the player was offside due to the linesman flag, it would make a difference. This is 1 of the areas where VAR is clearly not working.7th October 2019 at 9:53 am #49659
cm, I agree mate the linesman got that wrong but should we blame VAR for his error ?
Robot Linesmen pre programmed and that problems solved.😊7th October 2019 at 11:20 am #49666
sean the sailorParticipant252 pts
Agree cm. It’s inconsistent calls. Look at the shirt pulling at set plays. It’s still going on and city and Liverpool have had clear pens not given recently.
Saw the material incident and it was a pen7th October 2019 at 12:11 pm #49673
For me, the refs have got to start using the pitch side monitor to check their decision themselves so there’s no damage done to their integrity if they then change the decision. At the moment, the VAR ref does not want to disrespect the on pitch ref so they hide behind the “clear and obvious” line so relieve them from having to overturn a decision.
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