15th November 2019 at 12:34 pm #52927
I would also change the rules a bit too. Tell the Ref/Lino’s to ref the game without the aid of VAR, basically carry on as normal, and then with all “goals” etc… give the VAR boys 30 seconds to review and if needed, recommend the ref review it on the touch-side monitor (and major off the ball incidents for example!). That way the game stays the same, any major “incidents” are referred too, and hopefully the game gets back to “normal”.27th November 2019 at 9:15 am #54469threepsParticipant126 pts
Can’t believe I had to go back 3 pages to find the VAR thread!
Anyway, anyone see the Madrid v PSG game or highlights? The was an incident involving Courtois who ran out and clobbered the attacker giving away a foul. The ref sent him off and asked VAR to see if it’s a pen or freekick outside the area. VAR overruled the decision saying there was a foul leading up to that incident when a PSG player “pushed” a Madrid player thus giving a free kick for that instead.
Similar to Utd’s goal vs Liverpool? Maybe, except the push was barely that. To me this is crazy, how far back do you want to go when reviewing an incident. What next, no refs on the pitch and every decision made by people in front of a TV with multiple angles and replays?27th November 2019 at 9:24 am #54470
I go back to “clear and obvious error”. It isnt working at the moment. But dont blame the technology, the problem is its application. It is being used,imo, to influence results rather than to correct mistakes. Accept this is a fine dividing line and Im sure one or two will disagree but I do wonder about its application and more to the point who is the person who is the VAR.27th November 2019 at 9:27 am #54471
There has been a few mistakes in VAR this week. at the top was Rahem Sterling’s disallowed goal against Chelsea. but i think, there needs to be defined what constitutes a foul? i thought the referee got it right in United vs Liverpool match. and there was no cause for outrage.27th November 2019 at 9:35 am #54472threepsParticipant126 pts
I mentioned the Utd incident just because of similarities albeit with opposite outcomes, but lets not go down that road again think it’s been debated enough. But if you haven’t done so take a look at this Madrid PSG incident, Tuchel was laughing his head off most likely at the stupidity of it all!27th November 2019 at 10:40 am #54473
My boys have been on the benefit of some, and dare I say “victim” of others, as most teams would seem to be… don’t think it’s helping the game at all, causing just as much controversy and still isn’t really operating anywhere near as good as it was claimed to be.
Everybody involved needs to have a rethink in the summer about how to operate it (as it clearly ins’t going away despite my wishes for it to do so… )27th November 2019 at 10:44 am #54479
Cman, the Sterling incident wasn’t a mistake the VAR applied the rules as he is required to do as a fraction of Sterling body was offside just as a fraction of Mount’s heel was offside v Liverpool. People can argue about the accuracy of the Camera’s etc etc but nothing will change unless the rules change and a greater tolerances is applied to offside decisions.27th November 2019 at 10:46 am #54481
Still say keep it simple. Take it from the furthest foot forward for example, none of this armpit, knee or shoulder nonsense.27th November 2019 at 10:47 am #5448227th November 2019 at 10:49 am #54483
I would say a whole foot has to be over the offside line.27th November 2019 at 3:38 pm #54549
Nine. Was that serious about the whole foot?? Or a leg pull(I mean foot pull)
What needs to happen is simply redefine “level”. To my mind level is where there is no gap between the two bodies. Not to penalise the attacker for a toe in front?27th November 2019 at 4:57 pm #54552
Adlab, tbh I don’t care how they do it but better tolerances have to be built in goals like the Sterling goal shouldn’t be being ruled offside but until they do that it will be.27th November 2019 at 5:12 pm #54555
I think consistency is key to this VAR system. if it’s consistent, them most fans would accept. i would accept a wholesale changes come next season.27th November 2019 at 5:19 pm #54557
Can’t see that CM to consistently see goals like Sterling’s goal ruled out because a part of his hand was ahead of the line is unacceptable imo.
All that’s needed is a tweak to the rules its not a VAR problem it’s a rules problem.27th November 2019 at 5:21 pm #54558
I can’t see that happening mid season. if they had to tweak, i suspect they will do in the summer. because if they tweak mid season, it will be a PR disaster!27th November 2019 at 5:40 pm #54561
Bloody hell no, they change it mid-season the fall-out would be epic!!27th November 2019 at 8:35 pm #54584PaganParticipant282 pts
For me the problem is we’re trying to use technology that doesn’t have the accuracy for the precision that it’s being used to to measure. I’m not sure putting any form of measurement that’s allowed is going to work as there will still be the same argument, such as is his whole foot in front or is the heel an inch behind the toe of the defender. If we have to use VAR for offside let’s go to the old daylight ruling at least then if we’re arguing about an inch it’s a whole body width which should have been spotted anyway.
As Chucky says, no changes until next season for consistency….Pagan27th November 2019 at 10:02 pm #54623
the only issue i have with them is that, they took almost 3 minutes to rule whether it was a goal or not. other than that they had been good.28th November 2019 at 3:28 pm #54704
The interesting thing about this debate is that we all seem to agree that to a greater or lesser extent depending on how it has affected your clubs results the system and reviewrs are not working properly.
It needs a revamp but not this season. Chucky is right it would create havoc!.28th November 2019 at 4:39 pm #54706Brian blueParticipant299 pts
Like it or not…it is here. Changes required…of course, however who will do it and how transparent will they be. My cynical view is we are one step away from match fixing on a large scale unless it is policed, then who polices the police. A never ending situation has been brought about which should have been cleared up by a high refereeing standard and goal line technology only. I would scrap the offside rule all together
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