28th November 2019 at 4:54 pm #54709PaganParticipant282 pts
Brian, VAR has overturned very few decisions so far, and those it has have been very subjective, even the offsides, which should be black and white have been farcical. With that in mind do we really need it is the question I would ask…..Pagan28th November 2019 at 5:22 pm #54711sean the sailorParticipant341 pts
It’s really Ruining the game for me. You just don’t celebrate a goal anymore. Var is nearly checking every goal that goes in.
It’s ridiculous and I’d rather not have it
It’s ruining it for the fans29th November 2019 at 6:03 am #54719Chelsea.manParticipant125 pts
The problem is that, all those who are complaining about the VAR are basing it on incidents that went against their team rather than looking at
at the bigger picture.
I agree with Sean here. VAR has taken the passion from the game. and i think that is the last thing you would want as a fan. and that should be one of the areas they should be looking at in the summer. because football is a game of passion amd excitement.29th November 2019 at 6:13 am #54720MoosParticipant29 pts
Can’t believe some people are saying it takes passion out the game, I’m not sure what game they referring too they all feel the same, so what if u have to wait in anticipation for justice to take place rather that then a goal which should never be allowed. A goal that should be allowed or disallowed incorrecttly is the same as cheating even if it’s not the intention to cheat.29th November 2019 at 7:40 am #54721Chucky McChuckfaceParticipant455 pts
I would agree it’s ruining the game as a spectacle for the fans in the stands, but for us armchair warriors I don’t think it’s too bad, I think it does build a bit of tension for the viewer, especially as we get to see all the “angles” at home. (Admittedly, this is more for games that don’t involve my team! 🙂 )
Still takes too long either way. At the very least, have a 30 second limit or something. If nothing is “clear and obvious” in 30 seconds then it is very obviously not “clear and obvious” so the decision on the pitch by the men in black should stand, whatever it is.29th November 2019 at 8:27 am #54729
The biggest problem is that just like in Rugby where the fans don’t know whether to celebrate a try or not until the TMO has given his verdict the same now applies to football and that has taken something out of the game imo for both the fans in the Stadium and the armchair fans.
VAR took a long time to rule on the Pulisic goal v Valencia on Wednesday night but it got it right which may not have been the case without VAR.
Nothing will change this season and it’s not just a PL issue as VAR has been handed down by FIFA to the whole of major football personally I would like to see an agreed greater level of tolerance built in for offside decisions so we don’t continue to rule out goals like the Sterling goal v Chelsea.
But with one or two tweaks eventually things will settle down and we will all get use to it and if ultimately we get more crucial decisions right than wrong there is a benefit albeit the frustration of not knowing whether a goal has been scored or not until the VAR ruling will always exist.29th November 2019 at 4:15 pm #54808
A lot of good points guys but I keep coming back to something that is a puzzle to me. Why introduce it when it is not ready, although I see a big part of the problem is human interpretation Out of interest…how many other countries have adopted it in there Premier League, which also begs another question, why did they not trial it extensively in lower leagues first? I just think it could have been managed better in conjunction with re training Refs on what they may expect and react to or are we moving to a game with NO referees on the pitch and 20 watching monitors?????29th November 2019 at 5:11 pm #54815
Brian, this from the 5/09 2018. Might help.
“The video assistant referee (VAR) was heralded as a major success at the World Cup finals this summer, and now it has been introduced fully in almost every top European League. Only the Premier League is stalling over its introduction, while UEFA is considering implementing it from the quarterfinals of the Champions League.
But how is VAR getting on in La Liga, the Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1 and the Primeira Liga — as well as Major League Soccer, where it’s been in use since March after an initial trial last year?”29th November 2019 at 5:18 pm #54816PaganParticipant282 pts
9, how is it getting on, I suppose that depends who you speak to, for me it’s a 1 out of 10, and it only gets 1 because the scale doesn’t go down to 0, but according to those that are in charge of it it’s 7 out of 10….Pagan29th November 2019 at 5:31 pm #54819
I’m not getting into that one mate.😊
Clearly there are problems that need sorting out but I think we all have to remember that this has been implemented by FIFA under ifab and applies to all major Leagues around the World as well as competitive international football. So what’s not working just can’t be fixed by the PL.29th November 2019 at 8:10 pm #54824
OK, Nine…that makes it a little clearer. It is not so much the VAR implementation I have a problem with , it is the interpretation and clear clarification of what is “legal” as per Fifa, or not, by off field officials who have difficulty in coming to a sound decision in reasonable time. This is where the problem is. I think the Ref should be more involved and using the monitor there appears a reluctance to do this. The game could degenerate into more frequent VAR request and the game becoming 120 minutes instead of 90 minutes!!!! OK, a little OTT but you can see where it comes from. Chuky eluded to something although not in the same context that I am thinking of. Is the game being changed for a TV audience, fan bases will no longer be significant, they can “can” sound and paint pictures on seats!!!! Sorry, me being an unbeliever again!!29th November 2019 at 8:27 pm #54827
Brian, I think you raise a very good point if VAR is implemented around the world as it is being then it should be the same VAR for all.
In some areas the pitch side monitors are being used where here they are not things like that need to be sorted out because it has to be the same VAR for all imo.
Like you I don’t like some of the time it takes to come to conclusions on decisions but some times the narrow ones need greater examination to get right as the Pulisic offside decision did on Wednesday night the reality though is that all these video assisted decisions take time the last Rugby World Cup proved that.30th November 2019 at 10:45 am #54837
Well, I agree with that Nine…it just leaves the question of “getting it right” from humans” This has not always been the case and I just do not see where they are addressing the problem30th November 2019 at 12:36 pm #5484330th November 2019 at 10:24 pm #54996
I am just adding a non topic here….I still cannot post….keep trying but a box comes up telling me “Missing ID” Well…how come I logged on and can respond but not post?30th November 2019 at 10:39 pm #54998EditorKeymaster442 pts
Hmmm Brian that’s an odd one. Will look into it!30th November 2019 at 10:45 pm #55000EditorKeymaster442 pts
Brian, I get that error when I try creating a topic without selecting which forum it is to be posted in (example- General football). Could you be missing to select this? The default is “no forum” which throws up the missing ID error1st December 2019 at 9:19 am #55019
OK ED….I did not do that, however, when I have posted successfully before it was OK…Will give it a try later to day8th December 2019 at 10:01 pm #56063Chelsea.manParticipant125 pts
Have people accept VAR decisions these days? i haven’t seen anyone moan about it recently.8th December 2019 at 10:12 pm #56064gjbluesParticipant105 pts
Yes CM, everyone now accepts VARs implementation is utter sh**e. 😊
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