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Schools actually never closed over here in Sweden. Remains to be seen if that was a good decision or not but certainly has helped keep the economy alive with people being able to continue working.
Don’t think they’re open in England yet
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Haha no worries Sean ?
Yeah I suppose the difference between the two is that England has tons of big Cities like Dublin so it’s obviously going to be more spread around the country. Obviously worrying either way!
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I should add I’ve no idea what it’s like in England at the moment so quite possibly even worse there!
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Sean, is it really any better in Ireland? I googled “Ireland pubs reopen” and this was one of the first articles
https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-restaurants-lva-drinkers-dublin-dame-lane-5142357-Jul2020/
Sounds pretty bad when you read that.
images of hundreds of drinkers, with little social distancing or mask-wearing, were a major concern.
Gardai walking around the streets in Dublin City Centre to make sure pubs are not breaking the guidelines on social distancing, serving food or time limits etc
Yet this is allowed on Dame Lane….. pic.twitter.com/4inEgsY2Rm
— Barry Whyte (@BarryWhyte85) July 4, 2020
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There should be no more in-post ads any more anyway
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Yeah I know they’re pretty annoying on mobile. Again, I just want to give it another few days or so to see how everything performs before making any long term decisions. So far, I’ve made around £2 in a week so may even scrap the whole ads thing unless it picks up. Not really worth having annoying ads for ~£100 a year
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Never mind the thread Nine. How about maguiredebate.com ?
I’m done now on the Maguire thing. We’re going round in circles. Good points all round.
442, fair point on Ake. I don’t watch Bournemouth enough and you’ve seen him more for Chelsea than I ever did. Always liked what I’ve seen when we’ve played Bournemouth though. Comfortable on the ball and dominant despite his lack of height. Someone will surely snap him up though. He’s way too good for the Championship. I’d be happy with him anyway. Think City may go in for him still.
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How are the ads feeling for people? Excessive? Annoying? Don’t notice them any more?
Appreciate the feedback as always!
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Neither Liverpool or Spurs overspent to get into the CL.
Sure, none of Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester overspent to get in the CL but they’re also no longer going to be in it this year either (probably in Leicester’s case). Liverpool spent a lot of money on the 2 most expensive players in their positions (at the time). Granted, both have turned out to be great value for money but at the time they were very much considered excessive fees. Both were world record fees for their positions. Call it the Suarez/Coutinho money or what not but they still spent the fees, in much the same way Utd did for Maguire, despite bringing in £80mil in fees from sales.
What *is* the longer term strategy? Keep the club in the CL and the revenues coming in? Sure. But time and time again at Liverpool all I heard for a long time was “get into the CL to take the next step”…which never came.
Which never came….Really? You’ve just won the title for the first time in 30 years. It didn’t work when Liverpool were spending loads during the Ferguson era but that was down to poor investment. Players like Konchesky, Downing, Carroll are not comparable to Maguire. Maguire had the seal of approval from arguably the 3 most successful managers the game has seen and Utd deemed it worthwhile to overpay, considering their position of weakness at the time with not making the CL.
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Very good Nine!
Right move for the lad. We couldn’t have offered him much game time or a guarantee of CL football so he’s gone to the right club.
? Na na na na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na…
#HeyJude pic.twitter.com/U8y7lyVJUv— Borussia Dortmund (@BVB) July 20, 2020
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Oh I don’t doubt he’s happy playing Fernandinho there. As you say, he’s shown that before. But, a 35 yr old is only ever going to be a stop gap
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Nine, that’s the thing. When you’re in a position of strength ala City now, Chelsea now (assuming they get CL), you don’t have to overspend. Ferguson rarely substantially overspent on individual players. He famously pulled out of the Hazard deal due to it becoming too much money (one of his few big mistakes!).
Utd wouldn’t have overspent on Maguire had Utd had CL football (and everything that comes with it). City and Chelsea needn’t overspend right now and can afford that patience. Circumstances dictate at what level a club is prepared to go to for a player and risk of a reduced sponsorship deal due to missing out on CL, as well as huge drops in commercial and TV monies meant an overpayment was considered good business with the longer term strategy in mind.
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If, rather, the question was “would Ferguson have signed him for Utd during his era?” the answer would be a resounding no. But that’s more due to the fact the pool of top quality CBs back then was much larger. Finding a good quality CB nowadays who has leadership qualities and can defend is a real challenge, as City can attest to. I’m not buying that a 35yr old Fernandinho was ever Pep’s long term Kompany replacement plan.
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Mikus, good points raised. I think Ferguson would have gone for him actually. See this. He was a big fan of buying players from within the league. So, assuming the reports are right that Ferguson championed his signing, that’s Mourinho, Pep and Ferguson who all wanted him to join “their” club. Not a bad list of managers!
Even if Maguire does help Man Utd back into the CL, are they going to set the competition alight next season? What kinds of players are they going to target? And most importantly, what is their plan?
As for this bit, it’s not only about getting in the CL and planning to win it straight away. Utd reportedly stand to lose around £75mil by not qualifying for the CL. That £75mil is, in effect, almost a Sancho type signing. So, it’s as much about bringing in more revenues which allow Utd to buil further and invest more into the squad as it is about “lighting up” the CL. You build bit by bit. You don’t/can’t build a PL/CL winning squad overnight from where Utd were last season.
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What happened to your post Mikus?
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Very good points all round guys. Don’t take my long-winded, repetitive posts as me trying to discount anyone’s opinion or anything. You all make good points and, as Threeps says, we simply disagree and that’s always going to happen in football.
Saw this interesting article about Ake and I part of the article made me wonder if that was what Pep saw in Maguire. It highlights Ake’s poor aerial ability (won less than 50% of his aerial battles) whereas Maguire is generally >70%. Also, another article below highlighting Skriniar’s poor aerial ability potentially putting City off signing him.
The first relates to opposing teams often opting to hit long when presented with a high press, meaning that Ake would have to deal with aerial balls quite regularly.
That’s Maguire to a tee. Teams like City are always going to face a lot of aerial balls (as the opponent tries to beat the press) so winning duels is a big asset for any defender for them.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mancity-nathan-ake-transfer-18510245
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I’m a big fan of Ake though so I’m still hoping that we get him in, assuming Bournemouth go down, and have him partner Maguire. I think we’ll be much more solid then. Not a fan of Lindelof and Bailly is far too injury prone. Can’t understand why Chelsea aren’t exercising their buy-back on Ake.
Nine, do you think he’ll be a Lampard target this summer? Seems a no brainer to me with the clause.
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Threeps, consider this. None of those CBs you mentioned were considered good enough for City either. They were crying out for a Kompany replacement yet they could have got any of those you suggest, also. If they were as obvious signings as you make them out to be, they wouldn’t still be at those clubs would they?
Also, would you consider City a low block team? Guardiola wanted Maguire to replace Kompany. He said as much last week, just that he couldn’t afford him (which in itself is rich coming from the first billion pound assembled team in history). Do you think Pep was planning to frustrate teams with Maguire?
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Yep exactly Sean. To be fair though, the best defender in the world’s “lowlights” vid isn’t much better! This doesn’t even have the Arsenal mistake in either. My point with this isn’t that VVD is rubbish. Just that a video of edited clips can make anyone look poor
Whilst we’re on the topic of Van Dijk mistakes…pic.twitter.com/q7nXe9nUkx
— Jason (@UTD_Jason) July 15, 2020
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See, you’re falling into the trap that many fall into there Threeps. Slightly different discussion but by saying “if Utd still have the pulling power they once did then“, and talking about the likes of Varane and Kimmich, you’re suggesting Man Utd have once had the pulling power to rock up at Madrid/Bayern Munich and poach their best players.
Utd have never been able to do that. Varane would have been high on Utd’s list of targets but there’s not a chance Real would have let him go for anything less than his release clause of 500mil euros. Again with Kimmich, Bayern NEVER sell their best players with the exception of probably Kroos, who only Real could have prised away anyway.
Incredibly easy to say Utd should have gone in for Varane and Kimmich etc. The rest all might be good players but we’ve no idea how they would have fared in the PL. I always remember there being tons of hype around Otamendi. I was gutted Utd didn’t get him. Similarly when we didn’t get Renato Sanches. De Ligt another example of one a player abroad who was supposedly the answer to Utd’s problems. None of those would get in Utd’s side now.
I’m not saying any of your suggestions are wrong, just that it’s not always as simple as saying Utd should have got someone better.
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