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If Elliot has the thought process to trail his leg, whilst taking a dive and making it look like he was taken out by a very reckless challenge then it’s the best dive in the history of football. As Nil say, the game is played in real time not slow mo.

I’m not sure what Ed and Alfie are seeing to be honest, its as clear a pen as I’ve seen recently. His foot is in a natural stride position, his stride shortened at that moment as he was turning away from WB and when you do that your stride naturally shortens. Thus why he was planted before the stretching leg of WB If he was running straight his stride would have been longer but likely hit the top of WB’s leg which again would have also been a penalty. It was just a stupid bad tackle by WB, nothing more.

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If Arsenal do win all their remaining matches then they’ll have won 18 and drawn one of their last 19 games. 55 points out of 57 is staggering and you would just have to stand back and tip your hat to them.

Can’t see it happening. They are a superb team but not the level of the City and Liverpool 95+ points teams.

They do finish at Goodison Park so I wouldn’t like to be reliant on Everton putting up a fight to secure Liverpool a title! Maybe another points deduction will change the dynamics.

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Looking at the remaining figures City have the easier run in. The only game I’d expect them to drop points is against Spurs. They have 3 games out of 7 against top half teams. 3/7 at home.

Likewise Liverpool also have 3/7 against top half teams but the Merseyside derby away makes it more challenging. Spurs at home is easier than at their place but Villa away will be tough. Also three away games in a week. 3/7 at home.

Arsenal have 4/7 against top half teams. Utd and spurs away will prove difficult but if Utd play like they did yesterday I cannot see Arsenal’s forwards being as slack as Liverpools. Chelsea at home could also be difficult depending which Chelsea turns up. 4/7 at home.

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Doesn’t matter if the leading foot doesn’t make contact, his leg clearly does. I do not think Elliot could be expected to do anything else, he did normal running movements and it happened it real time not slow motion. Clear as anything pen.

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I can’t see the video you posted Ed it’s been withdrawn due to copyright issues but I assume it’s the Wan Bissacka foul? Seen it again in not so slow motion only and it’s one of the most nailed on pens I’ve seen this season. Yes his leading foot doesn’t make contact but he takes out Elliots standing foot. I’m not going for the “he left it trailing to initiate contact”, what was he supposed to do with his leg? It happen3d very fast, not in slow mo.

If that’s a dive as I’ve seen some Utd fans suggest then it’s the greatest dive in history of football. Harry Kane would even be chuffed with it!

I’m not sure if it’s VAR, or the over exposure tackles get with today’s TV but it seems everything that happens against a team throws up shouts of injustice, corruption or whatever.

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Wow mav just checked Bayern losing again. Think Levekusen need 2 points from 6 games for it to be mathematical but yeah it’s as good as done. About time, hate the idea of one club dominating a league. And still they are undefeated the whole season, incredible.

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Palace have for a while been a bit of a bogey team for City, don’t think it will be a drubbing. If the aggression level is high for Palace their style can cause City problems.

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Only watched the 2nd half after our game finished and seen the highlights this morning but what a crazy game. Spent most of it thinking how poor Chelseas midfield are and that Poch looks like a dead man walking and then that happens!

2 soft pens would be livid if they went against my team. Agree with Sean, Cootes was never going to overturn the on field decision the guy is a useful as a chocolate fireguard.

However the last goal was alarming from a utd point of view, they had their backs turned when the corner was taken. That stat CM posted above really does underline Utds problem. Are they just too easy to open up, indicating a defensive midfield problem? Let’s hope these problems continue on Sunday!

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Haha I know mate, why I pull you up on these things!

The form guides I found online cover the last 6 games and City are 5th on that with 12 points. Arsenal lead liverpool on 16 by goal difference. Villa and Spurs make up the places between Liverpool and City and they both have to play all the top 3 before the season end and obviously both desperate for points themselves.

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And yet Sean they are still 3rd so Liverpool and Arsenal must also be putting out similar numbers. In the past Liverpool have also gone on crazy winning streaks and as I said this isn’t as good a City team as previous years.

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Everyone keeps saying if anyone can do X number of games winning it’s City but his season they haven’t. They dropped points against Arsrnal, against a poor Chelsea, so why does everyone think they’ll suddenly put on a 100% winning run? Whilst a brilliant team they are not the level they have been.

I agree with Chucky that none of the top 3 will win every remaining game. Its going to be close.

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Big boys Liverpool, Barca and Bayern confirmed looking for new managers. Nearly big boy Napoli also I think. Plus a load of nations will probably part ways after elimination from the Euros. Lots of managerial changes this summer, can the likes of Utd and Chelsea even think about changing given the rebuilding job required and the unattractive position those clubs find themselves in? Not enough quality managers to go around!

Still think it will be Southgate for utd despite Ed trying to convince eveyone it wont happen This new part owner chap seems to have the hots for him, at least the rumours have sprung up after he bought his share of the club.

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Agree Ed, England arent alone in being boring. International tournaments are much shorter than domestic leagues so there’s little chance of recovering from a defeat, so most of the big teams play it safe. As you say, just get through.

I never get excited about the Euros or World Cup, but if I do watch them I prefer to watch the slightly smaller teams that play with more excitement. Japan, Croatia, Colombia etc.

The last time I can remember England consistently playing exciting football was under Venables. He really knew how to bind the team (maybe too much!) and was good to watch. If the football gods had any justice in them they would have won Euro 96.

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Ed, stop crushing our dreams with tales of reason and logic.

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There’s no chance Southgate will be the next Liverpool manager. He’s at 50/1 currently, put that in perspective that’s the same as Michael Carrick or Roy Keane.

He’s a safe and boring manager that the statisticians can point at as being successful but for me he has been a failure. He beats teams that he is expected to beat but comes up short against those that pose a challenge. Apart from defence he has one of the best squads in world football currently.

Read the other day something that summed him up, the worst thing England can do is go one up within 10 minutes because it will be 80 minutes of defensive boring football trying to hang on.

He’s the 5/2 favorite for the Utd job. Please make that happen 🙏

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“If we want to play 4-3-3 and manic stampede on the counter, then be incisive and release the ball.”

Nil you have watched Liverpool under Klopp over the last 9 years right? It’s not like we’ve just stumbled across 433 and trying it for the first time. But calling it a “manic stampede” is very disrespectful to a team that is regarding one of the best in World and still competing for the league.

I doubt Alisson would have made any difference with their goals. You seem to have an agenda against Kelleher as anytime he concedes you mention him negatively. Is he as good as arguably the best goalie in the world? Of course not, but he’s a damn fine keeper himself and we are lucky to have him as the no 2.

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We lost the game because we let Utd turn it into chaos. First half we were hitting too many long balls but in the 2nd half MacAllister was on the ball a lot more and we looked much better, just poor decision making let us down. But in ET especially when 3-2 up we let them turn it into a mess of a match with no shape and with the crowd behind them it was always going to favour them.

When we needed control we were found lacking. Players fault? Klopps? Doesn’t matter to be honest.

Well done Utd.

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I have often spoken about City in a negative light regarding the 115 charges as I have an opinion on it and it is one of the biggest stories of thr PL era. But Sunday wasn’t about that, it was about two hugely talented teams going to to toe and producing one of the best 1-1 draws I can remember. Usually these big games fail to deliver but certainly wasn’t the case. For the first 15 minutes liverpool couldn’t get close to City and I feared a drubbing. But that second half performance from Liverpool was one of the best for while.

Shame the pen took the attention away from a magnificent game. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy, watching live I didn’t think it was a stonewall pen only after seeing it again. I just think the ref and var took the easy option with what would have been the last kick of the game.

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Exactly Sean, Diaz incorrectly disallowed goal, Odergaard handball and now Doku studs in the chest. 3 massive decisions that went against Liverpool and most likely cost a few points that could cost the title.

Funny thing is City fans think Liverpool have the favour of the refs and its themselves that everyone is conspiring against!

I don’t believe that there’s a conspiracy, although can understand having some refs on Dubai payrolls can fuel these. I just think its incompetency and luck, City seem to have a lot and Liverpool somewhat less so.

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Good points Mikus, the threshold of what constitutes a foul is higher in the box than outside.

Funny feeling disappointed with only a point against City whilst having so many first teamers out. Endo and MacAllister were absolutely superb and some of the best buisness we’ve done for many years.

Its going to be tight, just hope not another 1 point win for City.

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