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Ok Brian drop the “numbers” bit of this reality check…
What about the other points raised and rubbished in April?!_____________________________
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So with the benefit of 6 months of hindsight, would my request for a reality check against Mourinho, Man Utd and the spine of the future team be responded to in the way it was by established site members back in April? Re read your responses!
Justification given as league position, Cup Semifinal, Europa and League Cup triumphs and before another £82 mill was spent making Mourinho £340 mill net spend compared to Guadiola’s £399 net and Klopp’s £141?
How would you phrase your responses 6 months on! What has really changed?_____________________________
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Ok here’s the elephant in the room.. I don’t buy into this pity for Man U or Mourinho…why.?
Mourinho has used the football media in an unprecedented way for over 15 years, much in the same way Katie Price has used the media. Neither can now burst into tears wringing hands blubbing “why all the focus on me!” They have continually demanded media attention and have taken every narcissistic opportunity to court more…In Mourinho’s case it’s rarely “we”, respectful to everything Man Utd was and almost constantly I. I demand respect, I won this trophy etc.. IT SHOULDN’T BE ABOUT YOU JOSE, ITS about MAN U and your contribution to their unprecedented situation…free fall! YOU are a major reason for this!
He hasn’t the ability to compete with Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino or probably Chelsea…. and he’s slowly realizing it..
Or like a serial divorcee. He’s on a very lucrative 3 year cycle of divorces?? However, Chelsea were left in FAR better shape than Utd will be…Epic fail, perhaps latterly on purpose to remove him from the spotlight of 2nd best team in Manchester and 3rd best team in the North West for at least the next few years!! He’s not got the ego to cope or ability to train the undoubted talent he has already.Like a playground bully, at the richest clubs with excellent expensively acquired squads, he’s chosen to spout poison about any manager he’s considered a threat… name another manager other than Alladyce or Ferguson who chosen this appalling behavior? Mind games my arse.. just immature unprofessional rhetoric. The media are simply reminding him of the plinth he’s built himself and his own bile.. No class Jose..
That’s why I called a reality check on Mourinho and Utds general trend in April, fully expecting them to win the FA Cup and easily finish 2nd, probably no more than a dozen points behind the leaders… then replace players who wanted out already, with expensive finished products..
It was a smokescreen for a club in decline in all areas..
He refers to his two trophies..none of Europes top teams takes these seriously and he celebrates finishing by 6 defeats behind the league winners? Hardly the work of a genious with Utds resources…Read the reality check early pages… Arrogance and rose coloured wealthy glasses were hiding the fact by many Man U supporters.
Mourinho simply isn’t a TOP manager and has behaved abominably for many years.. The Donald Trump of football!!
He’s getting all the attention he’s begged for!_____________________________
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Yes….
After extensive checking….
It’s definitely true!Anybody who thinks spending £65-
80 million on Maguire…needs sectioning!!_____________________________
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Sorry CM, your info is “horse.”
Manchester evening news/ Telegraph, which even the most eloberate conspiracies can’t both be controlled by Man City.
What you quoted are Sanchez wages AFTER he’s paid tax! So adding the 45% back onto your £14 millon a year wages and bingo! £26million a year…or £490,000 per week… swap value which is still an asset lost so £27 million?! Plus agents fee of how many million…plus Sanchez signing on fee..hey let’s call that a fiver?A that not what my company would see as a free signing and
B I’m expected to pay him £26 mill a year or he will sulk and play badlyyyy.CM your defense of Mourinho and buying old/expensive players to immediately win a trophy to flatter Mourinho, is about as robust as HIS expensively recruited CB’s! Anyone who thinks Maguire at £65 million is the solution needs sectioning!
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Strength to you and yours Jim!
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CM…
I can’t agree that a big squad doesn’t matter at the end of a season, competing against teams who are fighting on various fronts and down to bare bones…2Nd last year just like winning a Uefa Cup without playing any of Europe’s top teams allows a narcissist to posture but anyone who understands football could see what was happening through the smoke…Reality check_____________________________
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Good thought provoking posts chaps… I’m afraid these discussions always get labeled as anti Mourinho or anti Man U.
This reality check for me was morality/football in general and a period of short term VS long term planning as clubs, who have the finances for short term options.Windows of opportunity to short term change status, were taken very effectively by City and Chelsea. City are definitely planning long term too….
Spurs and Liverpool for me took the long term 3-5 year option. This is shown by net spend, developing players and selling at a premium to repeat the process with an ever improving squad… still encouraging the academy kids to come through.
My issue with Man U…was paying £26 mill a year in wages to one elder player as a short term fix. It undermines the clubs wage structure, creates a huge problem of unity and motivation. What happens when you try to move these players out? Are they worth more and who can afford the wages… a balloon ready to burst. If you think previous Man U managers left behind damaged legacies, what will 3 years of Mourinho leave behind?
How do you quickly fix the current and who are the spine of the motivated team?
Martial, Pogba, Sanchez? I think Van Gaal was a safer long term manager for many reasons of planning the future. For him the longer term legacy mattered.
Mourinho is all about himself today..Petulant narcissist is not just an act for the cameras..he treats his players the same way and will walk with a pocket full of money without a backwards glance and blame all on others..
Depending on the next few months that might be now or further down the line…_____________________________
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Hasn’t been a “special manager.”
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Good answer CM…I respect some/most of what you say.
However, he doesn’t appear to be motivating or effectively organizing the present squad to represent a team worthy of the talent he already has recruited. Logic defies alienating your players?!Just as you preach to look behind current events. I believe limping into 2 nd place with a large expensive squad, smoke screens what any fan could see was really being achieved against other clubs with far smaller squads….. hence a reality check for me in April when it looked like he would win the FA cup, 2 nd in the league and be given another wad of cash…
For me..Mourinho in recent years has been a “special manager” and that’s before the floors in behaving in a classy way!
Respect for your answer though
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CM- So your opinion is that the board should continue to bankroll the team that Mourinho is “continuing to build?!!”
So his expensive signings/wages over the last two years are evidence of his vision.
Remind me which players he’s bought that are playing to a recognized system or even to their ability?
Are Martial and Rashford examples of his building?! Wow_____________________________
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Four months after raising the reality check on Mourinho and what the spine of the Utd team will be by the end of the season….
Those who didn’t see issues brewing and refused to recognize major problems from manager, boardroom or players….how are you seeing things now?
Who will your nailed on spine of a team be finishing 2018-19 and starting the next season be?_____________________________
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Hello all. Before anyone calls out Ross County for being demoted, in a properly funded club that promotes academy players, sometimes a step backwards allows new shoots to grow.
With 11 days of this transfer window left and 4 months since i was shouted down for requesting a reality check against Mourinho methods and Man U prospects?
My view then was he is going to fund short term fixes to cling onto his job in this 3rd season, at the expense or nurturing the 2017 foundation of youthful, motivated talent from within.. Will he bring on more this season than he did last…. Or cause an untenable fracture of relationship with the club, to cover his inability to manage…
As a club, they appeared to be in a downward spiral of eyewatering wages for a growing collection of aged mercenaries..
In his 6th transfer window who will he buy??Net spend will ALWAYS be a far more valid indicator of management as a proper club. As demonstrated from grass roots clubs like Ross County upwards!!
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To be fair, I will definitely be supporting Liverpool this Tuesday!!
And Arsenal on Thursday..
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Cheers fellas.
Good luck all this weekend_____________________________
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Que next predictable bearish “banter.” Ohh look at the clouds above his clubs stadium. How sad that he can’t afford to live in the glorious warmth of the South East of England.
Sorry concrete and car fumes are about as rewarding as paying interest on a small box that’s worth a million…_____________________________
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For 99 9’s benefit picture attached to counter your repeated patronizing inference that the Staggies aren’t my local team. I presume to the right of your dog picture would be the armchair from which you support your obscenely wealthy team..
Low and behold yes I do support my local team. I’m highly suspicious of the bedrock of a debate site that has editors and moderators primary from the billionaire funded rather than the legion of British supporters who attend games at their local clubs and don’t have a Harry Enfield approach that is ruining the fabric of this beautiful game when teaching our children’s generation the magic.
The loads of money and erosion of decorum and behavior seen in some should not be justified by the likes of this debating site. There are still many clubs and managers doing it the right way. Like you FD I seriously don’t have a single care where Utd & Mourinho go next. However as I believed this was a debating site that represented hundreds of British teams fans, I thought it appropriate to raise questions on Mourinho and where UTD go next with their money. Clearly that ruffles the feathers of anyone supporting Man U, Mourinho or Billionaire money which appears to be the majority of the 10 regular posters on here.
As my original statement attempted to raise, I think this next transfer period will be a fascinating study of Mourinho and super rich…
To the supporters further from “the trees” it’s a downward spiral from the game we still support and pass on to our offspring…_____________________________
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Hmm Utd’s “chosen one” 5 years ago was indeed Moyes…Enough said
Benitez has consistently shown his quality and ability, more fool Utd fans. Man Utd are a perfect match for Mourinho’s moneyspending and ego.. That’s why things are shaping up so nicely for us all to watch 2018/19.
He’s established a regime where people are attracted by wage and realistically not a chance of winning the PL or CL with him. His revolving door will have ambitious quality escaping his ego/methods. They all recognise his star is fading quicker than Moyes’. Name me a Utd player from recent successful Utd history who think Utd are proceeding in a good way under Mourinho? He’s waged war with them all..Ok lets buy into your thinking as a Utd fan; you can probably afford to buy in more and more expensive players on higher and higher wages. Not all your squad have asked for the £300k+ a week, yet. Then buy the oppositions best (Erikson £100 mill, Neymar £300 mill etc etc.) Yes you’ll probably need an expensive International manager ,on a whopping wage, like…Van Gaal…. Your balloon is already massively inflated and Mourinho is pumping like mad. Martial, Pogba, Rashford and De Gea all considering jumping ship???
Your right, those manager names don’t fit the style of football, you have been used to since 2013..
Spine present and future why not! Then we get to see in 4 months…_____________________________
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I think Benitez or Pochettino would do an excellent job, but personally being proudly British (No vote in the referendum,) its time for the Dyche and Howe generation to be given the opportunities that Pardew and Allardyce continually fill. Otherwise we won’t have any British managers to speak of. 7th and 12th in the most competitive league on modest budgets is not to be sniffed at. Also, Stuart Kettlewell of course!
Frank Lampard appears to be an excellent future stock.Spine of next years Utd team?
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Brian. You’ve obviously appeased your conscience on your team hugely outspending others and having 22 top players. How noble now only to look forwards and regard spending power as largely irrelevant.
For the record, I can stomach it with PEP’s teams, because they consistently play successful entertaining football.. The wat he’s going, I think future history will look back on Pep as a more successful managership than Mourinho, aswell as a loved manager by all football fans and leading our childrens generation doing things the right way.Utd fans your spine of a team for next year???
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