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Got to admit, Ten Hag has made some bizarre decisions lately which should not be criticised.
Stripping Maguire the captaincy and handing it to Bruno. Bruno is a brilliant player on his day, but I don’t think he is captains material. Too much of a hot head.
Not playing Mount recently. Paid £60m and was his main target. Gave him the number 7 shirt and has dropped him lately.
Not playing Varane and Reguilon yesterday. Both should have started.
Taking Amrabat off at half time.
Keeping Rashford on when he has been playing poorly lately.
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This would have been me if United recruited Ange
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Neil Lennon was a success at Celtic, so was Brendon Rogers and many others. Ange period is no different to Ole at United when he arrived. When he loses a few games, thats when the real test will be.
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Klopp initially did well at Mainz. But he ended getting relegated with them and then left after failing to secure promotion.
He did well at Dortmund. But failed to replicate his success after losing key players and ended up leaving.
Before Ten Hag arrived at Ajax, they failed to win the league in 5 years and he ended up winning 3 during the 4 years he was there. They reached the semi finals of the CL and consistently did well with him in charge.
They now sit bottom of the league.
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Klopp only managed in 1 league. Had a disaster final season at Dortmund and also has a relegation under his belt at Mainz. Ten Hag also did well in Europe at Ajax.
Ange hasn’t accomplished anything at Spurs yet. He literally performing no different to what Ole did when he 1st arrived at United. Managing United compared to Spurs is a different kettle of fish too.
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Yup. But he also has inherited a lot of tripe which clearly are not good enough and should have been sold years ago. Especially in defence.
You can sort of see what he wants to do, but lacks the squad depth to do it.
If United get rid of him. From all errors they have made over the years, this would be biggest mistake of them all in my opinion. He is someone who has modern day footballing psychology, stuck in a disjointed and unorganised structure.
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Besides from Hojlund, I don’t know who United or Ten Hag have bought for the future recently. They have bought established international players.
You look at Peps and Klopp signings. They have generally bought players who play for a team. United over the years have bought individuals. Some players even forced on to managers and some kept when the manager didn’t want them.
Would Klopp allowed a player like Pogba to join? Because he wouldn’t have had a choice. Van Gaal said United only focused on the commercial aspect when it came to some signings. How would Klopp have dealt with that if he was United?
At United you are not only managing a footballing side, you have to also put up with the brand and commercial side of things.
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Mikus,
You make some good points. But I don’t think United are following Ferguson methods anymore. The Glazers off the pitch are clinging on to his coattail because it is his success which has kept United name on top when it comes to revenue. But on the pitch, they are doing the exact opposite.
Ferguson would never have bought Schweinsteiger, Falcao, Di Maria, Sanchez, Lukaku, Zlatan, Pogba. Most of those players were either past their best or didn’t want to be at the club, they only went there for the pay packet. That is where the club has gone wrong.
The club has become lost over the years.
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Ten Hag has been United’s most successful manager post Ferguson and has had the best debut season imo. United football was good at times last season and they went on a decent unbeaten run.
You look at what he did at Ajax, where they scored a lot of goals and did well in Europe, I believe he is the right man for the job.
Problem is, he has inherited a toxic environment, which seems to come about randomly. It is like a on off switch. Who has caused that? The owners have let the players take over and dictate things.
Read Peps comments after the game. He says he is on the same wavelength as the owners, CEO, sporting directors and other key figures at the club. Klopp is the same at Liverpool.
United do not have a structure in place for a manager to succeed. Everything has been scattergun and no manager would be a success under that environment.
Ole lifted things when Jose got sacked. How long did that work out. Ten Hag lifted things when he won Uniteds 1st trophy in 6 years. Look where are now. Players seem to throw managers under the bus quickly at this club. Why have the owners allowed that to happen?
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City fully deserved the win, but I wasn’t overly impressed with them, if that makes sense.
United are playing a depleted side. Maguire and Evans are backup CBs, Dalot is 2nd choice RB and Lindelof is a makeshift LB. Casemiro is also missing. Up until that penalty, both sides had their chances.
If you remove Gvardiol, Dias, Stones, Walker and Rodri from that City side. Pep is then relying on scraps and his 4th and 5th choice options. It changes everything.
Saying that, cannot excuse some Uniteds player lacking passion and effort. It is the same old story.
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Penalty or no penalty? 🤔 #MUNMCI pic.twitter.com/Wenmi0g7j7
— talkSPORT (@talkSPORT) October 29, 2023
Here is a image of the incident, Rashford was being held in the same picture. Why didn’t Oliver see that?
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Would any other referee given that penalty?
Has Oliver given a penalty like that before? I have seen incidents like that so many times and never seen a penalty given.
If United had state owners and you had PL refs officiating in the state United owners are from. Would there be a big outcry?
I mean look at that Onana incident on the opening PL fixtures and how many similar incidents have been since, yet not a peep. Raya last weekend being an example.
All VAR has exposed is how corrupt the game is. You have a side with 115 charges for financial doping, now wanting to give our PL referees a bigger pay packet for officiating at games in their owners country.
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Who would have thought United had a chance considering the amount of injuries they have got to key players, up against a side who starting 11 cost over £200m more and who have referees on their owners payroll.
Remember when Rodri was out suspended and people said how badly City missed him. United have a whole back lineup, a DM out injured.
Does not excuse the poor display. But the manager cannot polish a turd.
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Just a reminder. This wasn't given.
Unreal bias. I'm tired.#MUFC #MUNMCI #manutd pic.twitter.com/QtxRHeneFN
— Deepak Sharma (@Deepakkksharma) October 29, 2023
This wasn’t given btw. Anthony Taylor was the ref that game.
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Michael Oliver, a official who is on the UAE payroll is on VAR btw.
Saliba on Hojlund should have been given, if that is given.
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City will win convincingly. After watching United’s 1st half performance against Sheffield United and Copenhagen, City will win without getting out of 1st gear.
The performance will be no different to the 1 we saw under Ole before he got sacked, where there will be a lack of effort and passion.
This United squad are a disgrace.
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Nicely put Nil
Only English player to win the European Cup, World Cup and Balon d’Or. Survived the Munich air disaster. Did it all and won it all. Took decades for someone to break his goalscoring record for club and country.
His presence at the club and the support he gave during Ferguson early difficult years made the club what it is today. Something the club will never replace.
Remarkable achievement on and off the pitch.
Thank you Sir Bobby for putting smiles on so many faces and not quitting the game when the club needed you the most.
Thoughts go out to his family.
RIP Legend.
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This place seems extremely empty at times without nine. We seem to have lost a few Chelsea fans too.
You realise how much of an impact he made on these forums.
Hope you all are well and you can keep his legacy alive.
Bless his soul.
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Thought it was a well worked goal by Arsenal. You only have to give credit where it is due.
Your starting 11 cost 350m and your subs bench cost 350m.
Having a few injuries shouldn’t be an excuse, along with having a ref in charge who is on the UAE payroll. because not every side has that luxury.
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