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  • #171059
    sean the sailor
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      I knew he would give a pen the minute I saw it.

      I ageee with HT and nine. Totally againest var now as itโ€™s ruining my enjoyment of the game. The euphoria of celebrating then finding out a goal is disallowed etc is a load of Bollix.

      Every decision is analAysed. I thought var was being brought in for the decisions that were to hard to call etc, not everything else. Itโ€™s not working. Itโ€™s ruining the game

      But Liverpool fans shoujd be looming at why we were so poor today. Very poor going forward and all over the shop at times at the back. We got what we deserved today .

      We need players back bigtine

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      #171060
      Hightown hope
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        Nil,’I am aggrieved though, because with us, itโ€™s become a frequent occurrence this season which has led to points being dropped.’

        I think you have to take the feeling aggrieved out of it. Sure it’s been bad for us this season, but the point is that VAR is bad for the whole game, not just Liverpool

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        #171061
        Nike19
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          Sean, we upped our game as time went on. It’s understandable we had our moments, but Brighton themselves weren’t great.

          Liverpool were better once Hendo came on, but we also had 2 goals chalked off and if you’re still able to find the net and take all 3 points without particularly playing good, that’s a sign of Champions.

          I accepted all 3 decisions out of the 4 given against us bar the last one where Robertson was first to the Ball but caught Wellbeck who happened to have stretched and didn’t stand a chance anyway in winning it.

          I completely agree with you mate. I celebrated Mane’s goal and it was chalked off. VAR has costed us points and we could have been sat tonight with a 3 point lead.

          I’m sure we’ll improve straightaway and won’t dwell on this disappointment for too long.

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          #171062
          Nike19
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            Leeds should be a goal up. Everton have been lucky!

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            #171063
            sean the sailor
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              HT Iโ€™m not aggrieved today as the decisions by the law if the game were correct. I donโ€™t like var because itโ€™s ruining my enjoyment of the game chum. Itโ€™s ruining it for ever club. Itโ€™s shite. It really is

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              #171064
              Pagan
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                Obviously, one teamโ€™s frustration is another teamโ€™s elation, or using one of my favourite sayings, sometimes youโ€™re the statue, sometimes youโ€™re the pigeon…..Pagan

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                #171065
                Mikus LFC
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                  Pagan, I think the referees could still use their discretion to judge whether contact has been enough or not. Just because they see contact in slow-mo, doesn’t mean they have to assume 100% guilt – they could say it wasn’t enough to warrant a penalty or foul or argue it was a coming together. They can bring context and perspective to the table. Presumably, the pitch side monitor was brought in as a safety valve to stop every little nick of contact resulting in a penalty. They should use it. The idea behind technology is that *you* use *technology*. What we have at the moment is that the *technology* is using *us*, with the referees avoiding making any judgement whatsoever and just letting every bit of contact or whatever result in a penalty with no context – in short they have taken the human being out of the equation and completely absolved responsibility. I don’t see why they can’t let the human being be part of the equation again. The pitch side review allows for that.

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                  #171066
                  sean the sailor
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                    Jurgen needs to stop moaning aswell. Getting into to many heated discussions these days

                    I see his abd other managers points but just get on with it

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                    #171068
                    Adlab
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                      Klopp is really letting himself down. We have had just as bad fixtures and injuries. It happens!

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                      #171069
                      Adlab
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                        PS We can have a moan but the manager should limit his comments….apart from Maureen of course.

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                        #171070
                        sean the sailor
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                          Adlab cities injuries were no near were ours are at the minute.

                          Gomez,vvd gone for the season. Taa , keita, Thiago, Milner, ox, shaq all out. We also had our keeper out for a month

                          3 19 year olds starting a cl game for us mid week

                          We are in dire straits at the minute abd running out of options.

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                          #171071
                          Pagan
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                            Mikus, the ref made his judgment allowing for discretion originally, heโ€™s then asked (well basically told) to review it (change his mind]…..Pagan

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                            #171072
                            nine nine nine
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                              Leeds are good to watch and they give everyone a tough game. Good goal from Raffina too.

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                              #171073
                              Anonymous

                                Nine, I know you dont want to be talking about VAR all the time and I totally understand and would leave it if it didnt constantly undermine the integrity of the sport. It’s not just Liverpool results that we’re railing against. Thats when you know it’s truly messed up. As for today, that BS ended my football watching for the day. I may have missed a good game with City winning 5-0 but there’s no way I was going to enjoy it.

                                That’s very whiny now, apologies, I’m really just fed up with it now. The Everton game was worse now of course, with the injuries and even though we didn’t put a performance in to thoroughly deserve anything, I just feel robbed.

                                To answer the question though, no VAR has not made a damn thing better and as I sat here reading your comments, I for the first time wondered if I was just against VAR entirely now. I nearly said yes to myself but if it werent run by a bunch of morons, it might work. It is however ruining the experience and I am very close to just being against it.

                                I do want to say one thing about the offsides. If they are so close that they have to go drawing lines then they should just award it, as attacker advantage. That for me would genuinely be good for the sport. It would be faster but also it puts defences on their toes. That would be one single step in the right direction.

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                                #171075
                                Mikus LFC
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                                  Well, thatโ€™s the interesting question then – are the referees, when going to review an incident, effectively being intimidated to follow what the VAR referees have thought? They need to stand up for themselves if so. And even if the authorities threaten suspension for not following orders, I donโ€™t think they have the luxury of having enough refs to take their places. So I still the senior refs can help turn the tide of all this. In any case, theyโ€™d have the support of most of the fans and the players.

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                                  #171076
                                  Anonymous

                                    What has happened to Everton? Things were looking so good for them and now they cant win a game to save their lives. I think its time to get them out of my FPL team.

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                                    #171077
                                    Nike19
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                                      Why don’t non Liverpool supporters express an honest thought in saying Henderson’s goal against Everton was robbed? I don’t want a break down of the incident and the rules of the game copied and pasted, I just want others to understand what’s now becoming daylight robbery and as Mak rightly points out, undermining the Integrity of our game.

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                                      #171078
                                      Nike19
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                                        Offsides should be in favour of the attacker in my view reverting back to the Rule Revised back in 1994 at the time of the Fifa World Cup, USA.

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                                        #171081
                                        sean the sailor
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                                          Nine, ye agree mate. Leeds are very good to watch. Great win

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                                          #171082
                                          Pagan
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                                            Nil, I think you mean if thereโ€™s any doubt then the advantage should be given to the attacker. VAR if you believe in itโ€™s accuracy is removing that doubt…..Pagan

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