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    Luckydestiny
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    I have contributed greatly to their cause banjo 🙂

    #47031 Score: 0

    Luckydestiny
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    …..by losing money, I mean

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    Mikus
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    Just a thought – there is a bigger trend now for all teams to play more open, expansive football. Does that not make it easier for the bigger boys to demolish them?

    #47035 Score: 1

    Mikus
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    Indeed, I think why Palace have been brought up is because they’re a tougher nut to crack for the bigger boys.

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    Luckydestiny
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    Mikus, I think it does if the big boys in question are sound defensively. Pool and city certainly are and so in their case I completely agree with you.

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    Brian blue
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    Lucky…you would think so, re your defense comment, however , the media keep informing us how vunerable we are defensively. If they care to look at the last few seasons they have been saying this we have not done too badly with a vunerable defence. Laporte will be missed no doubt about that but it will not be an excuse used by City. Stones is also a doubt if he can string along more than 2/3 games but I am sure pep will come up with something. People forget that Kompany missed a lot of games but came back just in time when we needed him, now, Father Time has caught up like it will with any player. Silva is going but we have a replacement I think Sergio may go as well depends on how the season goes for him but is now of an age where he will look for a last Hoorah with a previos club…I will miss him if he does, playing better than ever at the moment Fernandinho..yes but again replacement ready Defensively, we need a couple ready to replace Walker and Otemendi as well

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    Luckydestiny
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    Brian, even Jose himself has said that city are fantastic defensively, it is obvious to all. I think pep didnt have the players to defend the way he wanted in first season and the pundits jumped on the chance to brand him defensively naive and to sound a bit smart. But since he has been able to rebuild the defence with players to his liking, along with the magnificence of fernandinho, city have become very very good defensively, one of the best defences in prem league history, and imo they are the greatest offensively, its a hell of a combination.

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    Luckydestiny
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    Hightown, just looked it up. Teams on equal points were separated by goal average rather than goal difference up until 1976. Goal average is exactly what I was talking about, goals scored divided by goals conceded. The more goals a team scores for every one it concedes, the better the team is in general at outscoring opposition. Outscoring the opposition is the aim and so the ranking by points achieved is very closely correlated to ranking by goal average. Obviously I think teams should be judged first and foremost by points achieved, but find goal average a more informative and intuitive way to analyse the differences between teams and get a sense of how much better one team is relative to another, over a course of a full season.

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    Luckydestiny
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    Was also just reading that the reason it was switched from goal average to goal difference was to encourage teams to be more offensive and not worry too much about not conceding. Doesnt seem much of an incentive to me since it only comes in to play in the rare circumstance in which two teams are level on points (and goal average and goal difference will be closely correlated any way). Changing 2 points per win to 3 points really makes sense to that end, but I dont really see how much difference goal difference vs goal average makes to it.

    Also I do think that defence is important and good defence should be credited, I think I prefer goal average to goal difference as a tie breaker, if head to head record is tied also.

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    #47044 Score: 0
    Pagan
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    Personally I’d like to see teams tied on points to be separated by how they performed head to head in the first instance….Pagan

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    Luckydestiny
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    agreed pagan

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    Chucky McChuckface
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    I’d go along with that too, give some of the games, be it top of the table clashes or battle for relegation, a little bit more spice!

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    Hightown hope
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    Chuck. ..don’t you think City are 4 times better than Palace? If they played 5 matches I’d fancy City to win at least 4 of them. I know Palace won last year but you are saying Palace would win 3 out of 10. No way!

    Must admit I think the difference between goal average and goal difference is minimal. Would be interesting to know if any critical league positions would have been different over the years ie championship, Euro places or relegation?

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    Chucky McChuckface
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    No Double HH, I don’t think City are four times better than anybody. Yes, better, and yes, very likely to win 30 plus games this season. But, last season, City didn’t win every single game 4/5/6 nil did they? A fair few teams had a crack at them, they were a little bit fortunate in a few games, and managed to lose more games than Liberoools did.

    I just don’t think their is a realistic way of putting a “number” on it…

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    Luckydestiny
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    Hightown, you make good points there. You are spot on imo re minimal difference in goal average vs goal difference. In fact If you look at the order of teams based on goal average in my initial post, you will notice that every deviation from the actual league table due to goal average would also be apparent if ranked in order of goal difference. The only reason I prefer goal average is that it is slightly more balanced in that it values defence higher than goal difference, and also because it is factorised rather than a simple sum, it is easier to compare and contrast.

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