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That’s an interesting perspective and I have to say , although I do rate Fabinho, he’s maybe not as good this season as he was last term. I agree completely that our improved defence is largely down to the partnership of Gomez and Van Dijk but you knew that, I guess. I just can’t speak highly enough about that pairing. People want to talk about “greatest” or “best”, this partnership will be considered to be, some day, so people might as well get on the train now.
Our opinions differ quite a lot on Keita. I do factor in his injuries though when I am judging him as a purchase. Someone commented on him having a good cameo there yesterday and I’d have to agree. I have believed/hoped that Keita would kick on many times though, so I am going to keep the optimism on a leash, however I am going to try to keep an open mind about him, as I do with Hendo.
I will say though Mikus, Henderson’s forward play is improving. He’s setup some lovely plays in recent times, whether getting an assist or not but my only problem is that this doesn’t not make him better than KDB. He’s not even close to KDB in terms of quality.
In a hypothetical scenario where Liverpool must release one player from their contracts, picking from our ideal starting 11, I’d release Henderson. It’s not that I don’t rate him, I just rate everyone else higher. This is the best Liverpool side maybe of all time. Now, I imagine that some would release Gomez, or Wijnaldum perhaps and fair enough we all have our favourites. I’d actually be interested in hearing who the others would release. Maybe Fabinho might be in there for you Mikus 😛
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I like Keita. More aggressive going forward with the ball and has actually played well in spells but then gets injured.
He plays 3/4 good games then gets injured. He was playing really well before Christmas then got injured
I really rate but he’s injured to much
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Mak, when the team plays better, particularly with more energy, it frees up more space for Henderson, and he can then play some very effective football in an attacking sense. But not sure if he’s got better for me. If you remember the home game to PSG last season, the team was full of beans and Henderson then played some lovely attacking moves up top. So it’s always been there, but he doesn’t take risks when the team isn’t playing with a swagger, or he just isn’t confident enough in such situations.
As for Fabinho, I think he can be a useful squad player. But as I said some time ago, the holding player position has evolved over recent years and you need to be a fast mobile player – that’s why Kante is probably the best in the business in that regard.
One might argue that the combination of Henderson & Fabinho results in a Kante player effect…but that’s costing us another player on the pitch, when, potentially, Keita could do that role or an alternative could be identified in the summer.
But I still want to see more goals from midfield – we can talk about how our system still works well with the setup it has. But we do need to be scoring more goals at times this season to make games more comfortable.
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Interesting question as to who one would release! For me, currently, it would be either Gini or Fab, but it would be a very hard call. I really wouldn’t want to lose any. Hendo brings too much else to the team to lose for me, on top of his playing ability. I guess it would have to be Gini, because of his age, and the fact that he probably won’t get any better, but as I say it would be a tough call. Few, if any players shield a ball more effectively than him and are harder to dispossess. He does alot of the spadework in the team that would be hard to replace.
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I’ve the worst memory man, I can’t remember anything about the PSG game from last season, specifically 😛
I would say that it’s Fabinho coming in and taking a lot of the defensive slack up that’s freed Henderson’s ability to play a bit more offensively, in an effective manner. I guess we can agree to disagree on Fabinho but we’re not too far apart with Henderson. It seems I might rate him higher than you, which is a bit of a shock for me. I’m so used to everyone kissing his ass.
Lads then there is Keita, I’m torn when it comes to him because yes Sean, he did have a decent run of games there before getting injured. I don’t think he was out of this world good but it was definitely better than his previous input where for me he would vanish from games pretty regularly (when fit that is).
So, although he has shown promise, it’s not enough for me so far. Being perpetually injured is what seals my opinion that we should look to sell him. If I said this over on TT the lads would look use it against me later on, were Keita to come good for us. I say it here coupled with me telling you lads that I’d absolutely love to be wrong about him.
Mikus, agreed, we could definitely use more goals from midfield. If Keita comes good then he’ll be a source of goals. He does have that in his locker.
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Come on, Mak! ‘Kissing his ass’? Why is praising Hendo ‘kissing his ass’? That is disrespecting both those of us who do praise him and Hendo himself. You praise Gomez and others but I would never accuse you of doing it for any other reason than you genuinely are excited by their form. I am entirely sincere about how well I believe Hendo is playing at the moment, and that is the only reason I am posting on this thread.
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I’d hold on to Henderson because he still suits our pressing and high energy game we play. Fabinho I just don’t think we’d miss as badly and is someone we could cash in on (Italian club perhaps?), on the priviso that we find a more mobile alternative. I agree Keita needs to start staying fit.
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How about we try and prise Kante away from Chelsea? Would be nice to be the cherry picker for once as opposed to the cherry picked.
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??? Don’t really understand that, Mikus
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Well, I mean more historically HH that we’ve been cherry picked by bigger clubs.
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So I guess most of us have gone from if to when are we going to win the league. Stole this from another forum showing possible situations. Think it assumes we win all our games.
Mar 7th: v Bournmouth if City lose to both West Ham and Leicester
Mar 8th: Utd v City (If City have already lost to either West Ham or Leicester and lose to Utd)
Mar 16th: v Everton (If City have lost to West Ham or Leicester or Utd) Most likely I’d say!
Mar 21st: v Palace (If we get knocked out of FA Cup and city and us win all our previous games)
Apr 4th v City (If we have to play in FA Cup QF on Mar 21 and us and city win all previous games – only a draw needed)Whilst it would be great to win it as early as possible, from a completely selfish point of view in hope it isn’t vs Bournmouth as I cant watch the game as spending a romantic weekend away in Vienna. Apparently watching football doesn’t qualify as romantic.
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“Why is praising Hendo ‘kissing his ass’? That is disrespecting both those of us who do praise him and Hendo himself. ”
I’ve used those words because I think it’s snowballed and gotten ridiculous. I’m not sure why you again think I’m talking about you though or how in any way this is disrespectful towards Hendo? I will say that it’s been tiring to not be able to criticize his short-comings over the years without having the mob after you and I thought it would get easier now that he’s playing better but it’s actually worse. People are still incredibly sensitive about him. I could say whatever the hell I like about Wijnaldum, Fabinho or some others and nobody would bat an eye but there are some players that you can’t say a bad word about. Sturridge was the last one that I remember, christ. Call Sturridge lazy and barricade yourself in a bunker cause they were coming for you.
The Hendo love in has been hyped up to 11 for a long time now and it gets a bit nauseating. That is why I’ve used those words and not to offend you or anyone else on here but it’s not disrespectful to the player himself because I have acknowledged that he is playing really well… I am I just not on the ‘Hendo for new God’ movement that we have going around us ATM. If you are that’s fine, loads and loads are but for me, I think we have more important players who aren’t getting the credit they should be getting.
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An example of what I’m talking about, I just popped on twitter, I don’t use it much at all but what’s the first thing I see? Some lad states that Hendo has surpassed Gerrard and a few others after agreeing. I didn’t see anyone disagree. Nonsense.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rio-ferdinand-admits-fears-period-21432608
I agree.
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Mikus, if Kante leaves Chelsea he’ll go to Real for a lot of money I doubt Chelsea will contemplate selling him to a top 6 PL Club. Not sure why you would want him either Liverpool’s only weakness currently is creativity in midfield and Kante doesn’t offer that.
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There are a growing number of fans who don’t think Fabinho is doing enough. I don’t generally agree myself. in that I think he affords us a lot but I can kinda see their point, recently anyway. I’d still have him as one of our best players over the season (that he’s been fit for) though.
There’s no chance in hell that Chelsea would sell Kante to us. I mean, unless we bid way over what they’d sell him to Real for. I was gonna say, would he even want to join us?… but I guess times have changed and the answer to that (if he were actually hypothetically looking to leave) would probably be yes. Classicaly that would have been a firm no.
It’s all moot though because there’s no way we would go and spend 150-200m, or whatever he’d cost. Liverpool will keep Fabinho and if they upgrade midfield, it’ll be a creat5ive purchase.
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People forget how good he was before his injury or if he doesn’t play like that straight away then he’s no good anymore.
Cant see any “upgrades” made in the summer to liverpool’s midfield, with the possible exception of replacing Shaq and Lallana with young upcoming talent should they leave.
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Mak – is there really a growing number of Liverpool fans who think Fab isn’t doing enough? I’ve not really heard that. Maybe on social media, which I don’t really look at, perhaps. But both on here and among my matchgoing mates, we are surely just excited to get him back to full fitness and the powerhouse he was when he got injured in early December. He’s only played a couple of games since he’s been back, and on Saturday you could already see the improvement. I sincerely hope he does get back to his best, as we will certainly need him for the rest of the Champions League campaign.
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