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  • #54330 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    Sorry Sean, you asked about the World Club Championships, or whatever it’s horrible name is. Don’t mistake me not rating the tournament in it’s current format for not wanting to win it though. Liveprool have never done it, so we’ve got to this time. I want the title ‘World Champions’. I think this team deserves to play in a better competition in order to be crowned as such but this is what we have, so this what I want.

    I don’t think Klopp will go all out, I don’t think he’ll have to really but I hope he puts out a side strong enough for the task and not in a minimal manner. Our opposition for the semi’s will be from Asia or something right? Well, surely that’s not an issue but if we make the final then the South Americans will need proper attention.

    #54340 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    I want us to win it no doubt. I put it higher than than the European Super Cup and I wanted us to win that. Winning trophies regularly is a good habit for the players to get in to and as mentioned we have never won it. Plus I’d imagine it will increase our profile further. Got a good ring to it, Liverpool, European and World Club Champions.

    Mak you are right, Liverpool enter at the semi final stage to a team that has to go through one or two round before hand. Flamengo won the Copa Libertores recently and go in at the same stage and you would expect a Liverpool v Flamengo final. If we lose the semi we go into a 3rd/4th play off anyway.

    We play away at Leicester 3 days after the final.

    #54350 Score: 1
    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    I definitely want us to win it. I remember watching the Flamengo-Liverpool World Club Championship in 1981 when we lost 3-0. It was played in Tokyp I think, and we just never really turned up. I hope we take it more seriously this time. We’ve lost to Independiente, Flamengo and Sao Paolo, and didn’t play in it in 1977 and 1978.

    At least the Brazilians in our team should be up for this one!

    newbalance
    #54351 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    Slightly before my time that match HH but didn’t the Flamengo team have Zico in it? Probably one of the best players of that generation. South American teams don’t keep hold of such players these days so wouldn’t expect them to be too strong.

    #54353 Score: 1
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    “Plus I’d imagine it will increase our profile further. Got a good ring to it”

    Given how much ground we have to gain on Utd for their last 2 decades, this stuff should be important to us fans, even. We ,won’t always have Klopp to just blow everyones minds, we’ve got to be in as strong a financial position after he’s gone in order to stay competitive. everything like this counts and is marketable. I would argue that the Ballon D’or even matters here. If Van Dijk can take it, it is also a boost to our profile. They all add up… and ya, World Champions has a great ring to it, especially to the American market.

    Playing Leicester 3 days after the final is crazy. I’m not sure what magic can be done but this opens up the question of priorities and the PL has got to be it, regardless of everything said.

    We can win both matches though. I think anyway.

    newbalance
    • This reply was modified 1 week, 2 days ago by MakaveliMakaveli.
    #54359 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    Loved Zico threeps and Eder

    So we all feel the same. We badly want to win it

    #54628 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Not sure on the thinking and tactics tonight. Had to switch off the Radio.

    Shaqs was ready good-to-go apparently.

    Needed more Zip than Lagg or industrious. We were at Home FFS.

    Anyway, not all doom and gloom because we’re still Top. Don’t know though why I feel so Disappointed.

    #54641 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    Top or 2nd really means nothing here. Unless I’m mistaken , we’re a spirited away loss from being out of the tournament. That’s simply not good enough. HH raised the point that maybe we’re taking things for granted and he’s right. The Anfield crowd weren’t there to save us last night and they won’t be there if the team needs them away at Salzburg.

    This is why I hate “easy” groups.

    #54646 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    My sleeping pattern has essentially been opposite to normal, recently. So, I did a few things to try and stay awake as long as I could yesterday. I went out with my dad and brother , got some food and a pint in, did food shopping etc.. you know, anything to just be active. When it came to the kick off, I was awake 20 hours, which sounds like nothing but I’ve always found that it’s a pretty hard threshold, before you can maybe force yourself into a 2nd wind etc but by the time kick off came, I was just home, maybe 30 minutes or so.. I settled in, opened a beer and was alright for a bit of the match.

    after a a time tho I felt my head dropping, you guys all know that sensation where you’re catching yourself dosing off. I cant usually fall asleep in a chair but .. at some stage during the match, I did just that. Well, I say during, it was either half time or shortly after. I woke a few times and think I picked up a few things, mostly negative.. but I think with everything I missed the core of the game TBH.

    Anyway, to cut a long story short, I see that Sky have Gomez rated at 5. I don’t remember anything about him performing. Not good nor bad. I will ask though, was his 5 really that bad? Putting aside the fact that as a rule, a rating of 5 out of 10 should be average but us humans are unable to grasp an apparently simple thing such as this … and we always mean TERRIBLE when we say 5/10.

    This long and windy road of a post is basically leading to the door of whether or not Gomez is going to make it at this club? I can’t believe I’m saying this in one way. I see greatness in this lad but he’s just not come back from his latest injury and I don’t think it’s a physical issue. has he lost faith in himself or his manager? Maybe both! I can’t imagine a person with his incredible talent failing to play well when given chances, were he training well and had the right attitude to the entire professional process etc etc…

    ——-

    for Me, Gomez was on course to be recognised as maybe the 2nd best CB in the PL, before his injury. I rate him THAT highly. I don’t think he’s been given enough of a chance to come back in one way but in another, he has had a peppering of games in which to prove himself and let’s just admit it, he’s been poor.

    I really hope nothing too bad has gone on in the background. I worry that this lad is on his way out of Anfield.

    #54647 Score: 1
    threepsthreeps
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    Read on a different forum (not that one!) from someone that is supposedly “in the know” that Gomez has some personal issues that the club are aware about and supporting him with. No details as to what, just that it is affecting him badly plus all the attention from the Sterling incident and subsequent booing hasn’t helped.

    I believe Klopp still rates him but is giving him time. I hope so anyway as I too have high hopes for the lad.

    Makaveli
    #54649 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    I’m not at all surprised about this. We forget sometimes that these lads are just kids. We all thought we were grown up at 18-20. I think the majority of our problems come at around that age and maybe a few after, depending.

    I just hope it’s not a drug or drink problem. That will ruin his career.

    #54650 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    I just rewatched one of those videos that showed both Pep and Klopp’s speeches at that recent awards show. I have to say, I’d be proud to have either manager. It’s just a weird feeling to enjoy what the other manager says because there is such mutual respect there , no mind games. I’ve gone on about this recently but I felt it worthy of noting that were it a case where we had pep and City had Guardiola, I’d be just as happy.

    I say this as a person who would have refused Alex Ferguson as manager. This decision is not the result of critical thinking but just out of a general; dislike of him at the time. I never really liked Fergie, or Jose, or at times Wenger. There was nothing really to like TBH. They were great for their teams but as characters, they could never separate themselves from their clubs. There was always a little stab here or there from them. I don’t get that from Klopp or Pep. There’s very little bitterness from either of them.

    #54655 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    We lose a lot going forward when Gomez comes in for taa. Gomez did nothing wrong defensively. We can go to salazburg and get what we need there. I don’t care if we finish 1st or 2nd in the group

    I just hope we are not hitting a bit of w bad patch as we have been poor in the last two games

    We need to bounce back Saturday and maybe mid the team up a bit

    #54658 Score: 1
    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    I disagree, Sean. I thought Gomez was poor defensively as well as going forward. My seat last night was in the Lower Kenny stand and so Joe was right in front of us during the first half, and the amount of times he lost his shape was worrying. Like everyone, I was amazed how brilliant he was last season before his injury, but he just has not taken his opportunities since then.

    I’d not heard the rumours, threeps, but maybe it does explain his performances. Worrying for him and the club.

    Makaveli
    #54669 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    It’s a rumor from a Liverpool rumors forum. I don’t know how much “in the know” the guy is but this is what he wrote:

    “hi Guys just to clear something up, Joe has been dealing with something in private that I won’t disclose since the start of the season, well actually before that goes some way as the reason why he’s not been in the team but he’s fine! , doesn’t reflect how he’s been training or whatever, Matip would be playing now regardless of how good he’s been (I know he’s injured but you get my point) The sterling thing has not made anything easier but these things happen. Cheers.”

    I agree HH I thought he was all over the place defensively and offered nothing going forward. Worst performance from him I’ve seen.

    #54674 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    We played at home, yet we allowed ourselves to feel their intimidation, especially from a physical POV. One of the worse games I watched this season. The officials definitely didn’t help us. It’s the whole experience that I didn’t like.

    Anyway, need to try and put it behind us and concentrate on trying to nail 3 points this Saturday. Showed our fight and spirit at the very least to earn a 1-1 draw.

    #54678 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    I don’t know about Fabinho – possibly 3 weeks?

    Our games aren’t too bad going forward into the next month albeit how busy the scheduling is and the Mersey Derby. We should to be fair be able to cope.

    I don’t know why Keita seems to be injured, then available, then injured again.

    Ox at least can step in with Gini or Milner. We have options but it’s just obviously fitting all these guys in the right formation/system.

    #54683 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    Hh, cool
    Mate. Disappointing all right. Hopefully he can regain some form. As you say this time lady rear he was excellent. Injury againest burnley is nearly a year ago to the day

    #54730 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    Fabhino looks to be our for 4-6 weeks. Hopefully get him back for utd and spurs games in jan

    #54774 Score: 0
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    Confirmed:Fabinho has damaged ligaments and out for months!

    • This reply was modified 6 days, 15 hours ago by maverick1973maverick1973.
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