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    Makaveli
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      “First of all, what is IBF?

      What does TRENT do the way he’s projected as some ‘Superstar’? I really don’t get that at all. What is different to previous Liverpool Teams? He’s so overhyped. ”

      I meant IBF sry, Inverted Fullback.

      As for your opinion on him being over-hyped I mean fair enough, I get why people don’t rate him. He isn’t exactly a great defender, so you can argue that with conviction and not be wrong, fundamentally.

      That is where it ends though, with fundamentals, and it goes into new territory into something kinda new and partially experimental.
      What makes Ttrent so good in total basic sense is that he can make us kinda play as in we had 11.5 men on the field. People might argue that with me, please don’t, I’m just using this as an over-simplified way to explain that he plays a roaming defensive playmaker role. So hypothetically, he defends when we are out of possession, as a RRB but then when we have possession, he drifts into midfield and with his really amazing ability to pass the ball, he becomes a threat to the opposition.

      It’s not easy to do this, as you have to have a RCB who can cover for him in transitions and the player who plays this role has got to have a really good ability to spot players and thread balls through or play them over the top etc etc. He passes as well as Gerrard did, so I think he’s got that.

      So far though, I think Trent is defending so much better than he was last season. I’m not saying he is lighting it up or anything but last season was farcical at times. Of course, we had a complete joke of a midfield lasts season, so our defence was exposed over and over and over. That’s gone and Trent doesnt look traumatized anymore.

      “Macca Alexis is believe or not a Top Top Presence and a Pro of a Player. He takes slack because bless him
      I don’t follow you there Nil. MacAlister takes slack? From who?

      “Liverpool Identity is Pass and Move. Please leave all these new ‘terms’ where they are and stop trying to reinvent the wheel and fashion Trent.”

      Nil, I don’t know what to say about this man. It’s not at all the same as your standard use of a FB and I would hate to see people dumbing it down to the point where we couldn’t describe the differences between them. That sounds awful.

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      #211514
      Nike19
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        Yeah, was not happy about drawing to Man United Mak, quite clearly.

        MacAllister is missed but he isn’t or doesn’t want to be Gini.

        Alonso and Mascherano were different; one box-to-box-one Creative. We’re missing a Box-to-Box and Naby I’m sorry to say was fraud in his Tenure.

        Thiago Alcantara. Is there a Pattern developing or just a co-incidence? Why don’t we have a Ronnie Whelan or Steve McMahon? Those names mentioned are a Distinction to their Identity and their Purpose in Football.

        Dominik Szoboszlai and Alexis Mac Allister are more towards being creative as midfielders than by nature players to coincide with the back 4. This is where we lack.

        On the other end of the pitch, we quite simply need an Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler, Michael Owen, Fernando Torres, Luis Suarez, and or Sadio Mane.

        Liverpool 2.0 still in Rebuild. Can we get what we need?

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        #211515
        Nike19
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          There is justification when there is a call for a player to be replaced; on my example re tonight, Endo.

          Nothing against him, quite simply from what I saw, he was overwhelmed with the pace of opposition. That was all. It’s so blatant that we need somebody to be able to stamp authority in that midfield and be able to retain to ball to gather sanity from an end-to-end Basketball Game. Who is Dictating play on Home Soil?

          Me or You?

          Buy Michael Thomas as Holding, Buy John Barnes to Initiate, Drive and Create.

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          #211526
          Makaveli
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            Ya, fair enough. I don’t think we should have been happy with or accepted not beating Utd. As for the midfield, ya there’s no Gini there and it’s probably cost us trophies, at least in the past but I don’t think we need to consider a direct replacement, as it’s a Fabinho replacement that we need. I think the rest is sorted TBH. We have 5 quality players for 2 positions. Any more than that and we will have problems.

            I am starting to think that we will have to sign a top striker alright. I’d love to say that I don’t want to give up on Nunez, and I had half of that typed out but he’s just not coming good. It’s almost like it’s worse he’s getting too because before, he’d do an awful lot even if he wasn’t scoring, now I just think he’s a passenger.

            I will hope he puts his head down and fights, because I do like to be right and I very heavily backed this guy. I’m not the only ones, as we paid an absolute fortune for him. We’ll never see that money again.

            Just ATM, what was potentially the most dangerous attack in the PL, seems a bit blunted. What a difference a few goals might make of course, and Salah’s against Arsenal was really good. You can always rely on Salah./ WETF we’re gonna do when he goes is another story. There’s just no replacing him. I wonder if we should just keep him until he no longer wants to play for us. Would he be worth £200m over the next 4-5 years? Probably.

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            #211594
            Nike19
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              I’m highly encouraged by Jota’s return. He’s an absolute importance to us. It’s made me rethink back to our original model of the front 3.

              I was once his critic, but how much of a loss if Roberto Firmino?

              Nunez hasn’t shoe-horned into Salah and Jota to formulate a front 3. Diaz should have been but bar his injury and personal problems. Strictly speaking, that place to occupy has a jury out.

              We should be open to bringing in a new face and open to holding our hands up and cutting our losses of the 80 mil spent. Gakpo is a bit of a weird one. In isolation, they have the capabilities of delivering but not as the model klopp has always wanted to portray.

              And, as we know klopp, at best, he’ll adapt to 4-2-4 or 4-2-3-1, but hardly ever as a 4-4-2.

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              #211610
              Makaveli
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                Firmino was a massive loss but not this season, the season before.

                Besides a spell here or there Firmino was awful last season. His love for the game was gone and it showed in everything that he did.
                Where was his pressing game? Nonexistent.

                So, we miss him now only because it’s more difficult now with the changes that I’ve already spoken of and how Nunez is in horrible form and Jota has been injured and Diaz is off the boil.

                I really loved mane and firmino but I don’t think I miss them in the same way that others do. I think what we have can be just as good, but I will admit that recently, my faith is being tested a little bit. My confidence in our front line is not what it was.

                I am less worried about a lack of firmino though, than I am about the impending lack of Salah.

                That will be devastating.

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                #211759
                Makaveli
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                  I guess if we boil it all down, we deserved to win that and we did.

                  In a way it’s a shame that new don’t have a PL match for 3 weeks but in another, we hardly want to cram as many PL matches into a time when we will be without Allah. God, what would we do without him 😛

                  Nunez setup Salah well for that goal and it fueled him on a bit. I think if we’re to play him then we do that. Move him to the right. See what it’s like.

                  We have 2 cup matches ahead now, so we could try it out in the FA Cup one.

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                  #211817
                  Nike19
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                    Didn’t realize we had like a Winter Break after our first leg semi this coming Weds. We don’t play till the 21st after that; could really help us in terms of getting key players back closer to recovery like Robertson and the long awaited Thiago.

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                    #211858
                    Nike19
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                      Has our dear Manager really pulled off something special? Mane this first piece and perhaps could have been the Catalyst along with what we achieved in 2022.

                      Henderson and Fabinho departures sparked an end of an era and a beginning of a Klopp 2.0.

                      Just a comparison and thought in kind of Random, Sir Alex build and rebuilt teams; RVP was the piece on the Jigsaw that won him Title number 20 in 2013.

                      I do full appreciate Klopp giving so much into developing young players; to some extent, he similarities to Brendan. He also has proven ability to turn a C+ into A Star; ala Sadio Mane and Mo Salah.

                      It’s probably a real we won’t sign a face in Jan, but we do have recalls that gives us an option at the very least.

                      I’d be delighted with another 2022 type of a season. It really looks like we have our Resilience and Belief back.

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                      #211899
                      Makaveli
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                        Trent out for a few weeks now with a minor ligament tear. Wow, it seems that we came really close to a major injury there. I wouldn’t be shocked to hear that he’s out for longer, as surely you’ve got to be really careful here.

                        Either way, it’s going to be really tricky now without Salah and Trent. Especially since We are already covering for Robertson’s injury on the other side.
                        I suppose we’ll have to play Gravenberch at RB for a few matches?

                        We’re getting a bit threadbare now.

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                        #211904
                        Nike19
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                          Yeah, bit of a bummer. The BBC had to make a thing of it with ‘Breaking News’. Although of course, Trent has been a big impact for us this season.

                          We have a 10 day break, and if everything is on track timewise, he should only really miss the Bournemouth game and our 4th round Cup Tie.

                          That Lockdown 2nd season we went out and bought Kabak and I think some other guy and that was a car crash.

                          Nat Phillips is back with us; maybe some tinkering around. After tonight, a 10 day break for us.

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                          #211992
                          Makaveli
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                            I would create a thread on this but I don’t want to annoy the others on here, as it’s pretty divisive when you’re praising a current icon that is a rival.. It’s likely a bit like Fergie. I couldn’t stand him when he was in charge of Utd. I warmed to him afterwards.

                            Klopp though.

                            How lucky are we to still have this guy?
                            I know that if we boil it all down that we have to give a lot of credit to others and Pep is probably more responsible for what is now being called “Klopp 2.0” than the man is himself, which is kinda funny, but we all knew what he brings and this reboot has surprised nobody, except for how quickly it’s happening.

                            I am not at all getting ahead of myself BTW. The PL table isn’t fooling me into thinking that we’re nearly the complete project. I am only saying that where we are now is bordering on incredible. We shouldn’t be top of the table. I did predict that we’d be top but I also predicted that we’d walk the PL last season, so what do I know.
                            Maybe me being worried about the 2nd half of the season is a sign hat we’ll walk the whole thing?
                            Unlikely.

                            No matter what happens though we all know that we have a manager who can deliver the goods. For a few years opposition fans would make fun of us on how he was a nearly manager. He played ina number of finals without winning and that…. disappeared 😀

                            Now we know what we’re gonna get and we’re getting it again. Of course, we also know what we’re gonna get from City but that’s another story. That’s not in Klopp’s hands.

                            What a man though and I honestly don’t know if I even want to be a fan when he goes.

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                            #212110
                            Makaveli
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                              That tackle by Kluivert was nasty. It was more of a red card than several of ours this season but I still wouldn’t give e it TBH… but it wasn’t far off it IMO.

                              Have a feeling watching this that we are missing maybe 1 too many players ATM. Just gotta get through this and somehow find the 3 points.

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                              #212125
                              sean the sailor
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                                Ive no doubt the good times will stop when klopp goes. He has changed everything. Its a match made in heaven. He gets the club, the people and the city. Im praying he extends again. Be very sad day when he leaves.

                                We are starting to play well now. West ham in the cup, newcastle and yday were very good performances . Ill never get carried away and i fully expect city to run away with it as we have made so many changes and we will have a bad run at some stage

                                Macca was excellent yesterday. Konate is an absolute monster now and his passing has really improvrd. Missing 9 players yday ,6 of who would have started. Great win at a tricky ground and delighted for nunez, hes just a menace even when not scoring but be great if he could kick off now with more goals.

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                                #212126
                                Mikus LFC
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                                  Yeh I do think Klopp shares that trait Ferguson had in terms of instilling that hunger and grit to keep getting over the line whilst also using and developing young players fresh from the academy. Good to see Nunez get a couple. He can finish so well in some instances and other times he can’t. Does he just think too much sometimes?

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                                  #212129
                                  Nike19
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                                    De Bruyne and Haaland would be the main threat and of course City have been there time and time again. We can only take care of our own. We haven’t really formed the subject of the Title. For us, it’s just been 3 points and league leaders when we have been up there.

                                    Hugely commendable all round when you think we didn’t play a League game for 20 days. Lots of injuries, but I think the dressing room talk has been for everybody to step up. It’s players bouncing off each other and for that to happen it seem players all round have their own game in good shape. Konate has been a standout and this is what Van Dijk needs. Konate is the player now that we wanted 3 years ago.

                                    Jota and Nunez work better because they are utilizing space all over the top. We played don’t forget one of the most inform teams in the Prem and to beat them emphatically with a weakened team, it’s the most convincing of away displays all season.

                                    We have players to return; Robertson being one of them. Thiago being the other. Those who have filled the gaps deserve praise. Gomez one example. This is what having depth of the squad is about and having good quality players that will step up when it matters.

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                                    #212131
                                    Makaveli
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                                      My thoughts exactly Sean. Just hope that Klopp continues to find reasons to stay.

                                      I’m not handing the title to City yet but ya, tempered expectations is healthy.

                                      We have a lot more than those 2 to come back but what on earth is going on with Thiago? This is such an incredibly long injury. Maybe he’s just disillusioned and has checked out? In a weird way, I don’t know if I could blame a man for that, he’d had a torrid time with injuries, especially since he came to Liverpool… and he wasn’t exactly lucky with them before he got here either. It’s late on in his career and he has got to know that were he able to stay fit that we’d never have him out of the first 11, never mind signing players to pretty much replace him, as we have.

                                      He’s such a fantastic player but we have to be able to rely on our best players.

                                      As for Nunez, I’m delighted that he managed to get 2 goals but I think if there is a player that I’m not going to go over-board about ATM it’s him. I think there are tribes in the Amazon rainforest who know how much I rated this guy and I am not entirely given up on him yet (especially after he does this) but he’s got a lot of work ahead of him if he’s going to be a success at this club.
                                      More of this please Mr Nunez.

                                      As for everything else, this Liverpool side are in 3rd gear and top of the table. I think Man City are also only in 3rd gear too though. It really is going to be about which team makes it into 5th gear.
                                      I don’t think Arsenal have a snowball’s chance of winning the PL. it will go to either City or Liverpool. I still think City are favourites but not by loads.

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                                      #212132
                                      Nike19
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                                        Obviously, it’s their job to do what they do, but you don’t half sense at times that the media do rub salt in wounds when there’s a player of ours surrounding the experience of injury.

                                        It can stir up supporters that can lead to questioning loyalty and commitment. I don’t like AFCON personally, but it is what it is. It’s no different really to a player playing for his country during Internationals breaks or when there’s a match of a significance.

                                        I agree Mak 100% something has felt light about Liverpool and the proverbial 2nd 3rd gear comparison. I think it’s more to noticeably how we have performed in the 2nd half. We haven’t had that many bad performances if you take out the misfortune with Tottenham and the 2 points dropped at Brighton.

                                        Maybe it’s because we simply haven’t had the luxury to play our full-strength team.

                                        Thiago will give 100% that’s one thing for sure. Top attitude from a Top Player. We may not have him for long though.

                                        Klopp deserves praise largely for his wisdom I believe and the ability now to change things more than hesitate. The moves of Hendo and Fabinho were risk-reward and I’d say more reward. The accentuation last season hinged on us being overran in midfield.

                                        This season so far has been a better proposition. We young legs and energy.

                                        I’d hugely love for the 2019 style photo finish with City. Would you believe that’s going to be 5 years! I would love though for next season for our focus on the CL should we make it. That would mark 20 years of Istanbul. Where does Time go?

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                                        #212161
                                        paul powers tash
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                                          Just heard that Klopp is quitting at the end of the season.

                                          I wonder why ?

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                                          #212166
                                          Makaveli
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                                            Burnt out I guess. There’s no negative-sounding way to give reasons based upon what is going on at City over all these years also, but that has to have played a part in it. Although Klopp very deeply respects Pep, as do I.

                                            People mhad asked about Alnso and I’d knocked those thoughts back because I wanted Klopp to stay for many a year, well now that he’s going, I would like to see where Also goes from here and for us to keep a line open with him.

                                            I really would have preferred to see more seasons out of him as a manager though but we no longer have the time.
                                            ~
                                            As for Liverpool going forward… bit of a joke right at the minute.

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