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  • #27999 Score: 0
    Alfie
    Alfie
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    Limiting spending power won’t work. Clubs would still cheat. If you do net then, some clubs would sign a youth player from a feeder club and then sell the same player back to the original club a short time later for £25m and boost what they can spend.

    And if you use gross some clubs would sign players on a free but buy a light bulb for £70m from the selling club.

    Cheats will always cheat.

    If half of the allegations are true, and they might all be false, it wouldn’t take a genius to work our ways around spending limits.

    #28000 Score: 0
    Alfie
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    Think about it this way, and I think I am right in saying this is not in question and was widely reported at the time, but City sold the right to wear a light blue shirt to the Man City Woman’s team for over £20m.

    They brought in around £45m by extending the offer to the New York FC.

    Ignoring the fact that the money also came from them, or rather the owner, but you can see the sort of deal that they are arleady allowed to do. What would stop a similar deal being done in lieu of a transfer fee?

    #28004 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    For the good of all including both City and PSG this whole thing needs investigating properly by a credible third party to establish whether anyone has anything to answer for and that investigation should include UEFA and senior figures in UEFA too.

    #28021 Score: 0

    Adlab
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    Very devious thinking Alfie but you are of course correct. Nevertheless something needs doing.

    #28030 Score: 0
    Alfie
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    Or team A could buy a player from team B and get Team C to pay for the player.

    Like what is normal behaviour for paying managers.

    #28031 Score: 0

    Adlab
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    Its time that everybody recognises this is a money busines. Any attempt to block market conditions will create instability. If an individual decides to invest he can lose or gain. There are now many super rich owners, some invest some dont eg Arsenal eg Spurs eg etc etc.

    The so called elite under the corrupt Platini tried to create an unbreachable oligopoly of clubs. It failed. City and PSG are always going to be targets because of their ownership. After all they are not WASPs. Its a surprise Utd and Chelsea havent been targeted too based on their ownnership.

    FFP in this form was never going to succeed as it is anti-competetive in its nature.

    I still think something -which is fully transparent- is needed but not the biased ffp crap.

    #28032 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    I’ve got nothing against City both they and Chelsea have come from similar backgrounds but rules are rules and all Club’s agreed to comply with the FFP rules I don’t think you can pass off breaking those rules in the way they have allegedly been broken on the basis of it’s just big business or just a money business.

    This whole thing has to be investigated properly including the UEFA personels role in it and if the rules need to be amended if they are being so easily broken then amend them and or UEFA have to do their job properly.

    Football Club debt was at a ridiculous and unsubstsinable level when these rules came into place and there has been significant improvements in those debts since then that’s a sensible situation for football as a whole.

    Where there are rules and club’s have broken them be it City, PSG, Chelsea, United or anyone else they have to take responsibility for that AC Milan are still waiting to hear their final punishment as their year long ban from Europe was overturned by CAS. One Club can’t be treated in one way and not others.

    If UEFA fail to act in investigating these allegations they will lose all credability and FFP will be terminally effected.

    #28034 Score: 0

    Mikus
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    It would have been more pragmatic (and honest) if UEFA had said to any newly taken over clubs like City – “Look, we’ll turn a blind eye towards your business model for your first decade to let you get up to speed and established. But after that, these rules will apply, and very strict ones at that.” Rather that then pretending to crackdown on clubs like City when they knew damn well, that was never going to happen.

    #28035 Score: 0
    Alfie
    Alfie
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    I think people need to understand that the allegations of book fiddling, back-dated sponsorship, hidden payments, and general skull duggery, as yet unproven, involve Man City; not anyone else.

    All other clubs have managed to exist without resorting to the cheating outlined by der Speigel. This is not a ‘money business’ or a ‘blocked market condition’ thing, this is not something that happens with newly wealthy clubs.

    This is something where the club is rotten to the core. Where people think that rules area for others, where directors have no inclination to follow the rules. Where arrogance knows no limits.

    An independent investigation is required and any person found complicent in the behaviour alleged should be banned from football for life.

    HMRC will also want to get involved to see if they have lost out.

    #28036 Score: 0
    Alfie
    Alfie
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    Mikus – UEFA pretty much did all that for city. They did turn a blind eye, allowed them to pay lip service to the rules. Allowed them to choose their own punishment, which city described themselves as having no material effect on them. They then told City that they would get tough.

    What did City do then? Well if the stories are to be believed City went to depths never seen before, which are still quite difficult to believe, in order to cheat, to hide to stick two fingers up at everyone else.

    #28037 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    The only thing that will clear this up is a thorough independent investigation and I think it would be in City’s best interests too otherwise they will be tainted by these allegations forever.

    I’m not sure it’s just City either I think there are things that PSG need to answer for too which is surely why UEFA have reopened their investigation against them again even UEFA themselves are tangled up in all of this if the allegations are true.

    It now falls to Aleksander Čeferin as President of UEFA who has always talked tough on FFP to ensure that a thorough independent investigation happens and if it doesn’t I’m not sure where FFP goes from there.

    #28038 Score: 0
    Alfie
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    The UEFA investigation into PSG relates to their purchases of Neymar and Mbappe. That should be investigated, and they should investigate whether or not they used the same tricks that have been alleged about City. However, the idea that all clubs are doing this is not what Der Speigel are claiming. They have only made the allegation against one club.

    #28039 Score: 0
    Chucky McChuckface
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    And you thought I had it “bad” for Maureen… 🙂

    #28040 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    All best left there now imo the ball is now in UEFA’s court as to whether they are prepared to take this further or not or indeed can do legally given how the information was obtained allegedly they are taking legal advice on that?

    #28041 Score: 0
    Chucky McChuckface
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Anybody else remember when football was decided on the pitch?

    I miss those days, the game is eating itself!

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