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Mikus, you may well be right and this is another reason why the hypocites in UEFA are chaseing City again. Our new Management, years ago, with other clubs started to rattle the cosy club they created now they are issueing threats, which to me, shows just how much they are rattled. The one thing they forgot, they may have stewardship of an organised competition, they do not OWN the game of football and this is why there are a number of clubs talking about leaving there domain…Sacre Bleu!!!!! Football is crying out for a Major reconstruction
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Brian, what threats are UEFA issuing? I’ve not heard of any threats and in these revelations UEFA have seemingly been cooperating with City all the way up to Infantino.
These are unproven allegations but the whole thing does need investigating by a bona fide third party imo. Until that happens and any conclusions are drawn both City and PSG remain innocent.
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Nine…I admit I was sucked into a press article, maybe the Mail which suggested Uefa wants to ban us. I should have taken it with a pinch of salt but then again these guys are never going to make sense as far as city go and others. The rules are stupid anyhow, football is a business now first and foremost, I regret that but it is fact, on the plus side, the game is better than when I first started watching in 1944 from a fans and player point of view. The other point in all this is somebody has gone to a lot of trouble to get all these so called facts, maybe illegal as well and I guess the lawyers will work on that in the early stages…it will drag on but hopefully will not unsettle City
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Documents from wikileaks have already been used in court in evidence against: Messi, Ronaldo, Mourinho and numerous tax evaders.
Not sure that defence would work.
Also worth noting that this, if used, will be in a UEFA, PL or CAS internal case. I doubt, if true, any of the offences are legal offences, merely unscrupulous behaviour to cheat a sport.
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FFP is a joke, As a bloke said the other day football is like pretty much like every other sport in that it is 100% dominated by money. There is no loyalty other than supporters & only the rich will win. Sad but true, I used to love Boxing & Rugby League but they have also fallen victim to the money & I no longer enjoy them like I used to. Look at every “competition” in football, Germany Bayern will win it, England c$ty will win it, Scotland Celtic will win it, etc etc. The only one with any real competition is Spain with Real & Barca. I’ll jist settle for hitting the surf here in Oz & forget about “sport”, it’s no longer enjoyable for me.
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Brian, UEFA and senior UEFA personell are allegedly involved in covering some of this up it’s difficult to know what to believe but for the good of City and PSG these accusations shouldn’t be left hanging over them and the whole thing needs thoroughly investigating by a credible third party imo either to clear City and PSG’s names or to take whatever actions are deemed necessary.
Currently as things stand the whole credibility of FFP and UEFA is under question and that needs to be cleared up too.
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Nine….I guess they are in it in some way. I fail to see the significance of FFP since one way or another all clubs will find a way, no matter how large or small. Football is the investor target now, how much money will the new Chinese owner of Wigan put in, more than City???? How much more will teams borrow based on large income streams from sponsors….what I am trying to say is the game has changed and UEFA and Fifa sat on there pedestals thinking they would not be challenged. If the source is corrupt how can they possibly apply sanctions, no doubt they will and have to live with the future consequences themselves. I go back to an earlier remark I made as well, The Champion league should be for Champions not runners up,3/4/5/6th.
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FFP was invented not to provide financial fair play but to retain the status quo with, at that time the so called ‘elite’teams making it nearly impossible for anybody else.
There are certain clubs – guess who – that dont like it. In Germany the papers dont like Bayern’s monopoly being challenged. In Spain, -I have this on very good authority- the royal family, who previously bailed them out- are concerned about the demise of Real Madrid.I actually believe in a FFP but not the original one. Those parameters were biased – for example to ignore debt levels. Of course Real, Milan, Barca, Utd etc etc would be caught up. So it was ignored.
The best approach is to limit spending. £100m per season – not per window. It would mean,though, players wages would increase dramatically. However, more use might be made of academy players.
UEFA etc need to be carful not to open Pandora’s box if the just investigate one or two clubs.
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There is also major concern about the, in my opinion, inevitable European Super League.
UEAFA would be finished. The league’s cash cow would stop. So there will be a concerted effort to stop it by all those with vested interest.
How? Lean on key wealthy clubs not to follow up._____________________________
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Isn’t UEFA accused of minimising the punishments to City and PSG, rather than covering up the continuous and systematic cheating that City are accused of? I’m sure the article states that they were not aware of the full set of allegations being made.
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Limiting spending power won’t work. Clubs would still cheat. If you do net then, some clubs would sign a youth player from a feeder club and then sell the same player back to the original club a short time later for £25m and boost what they can spend.
And if you use gross some clubs would sign players on a free but buy a light bulb for £70m from the selling club.
Cheats will always cheat.
If half of the allegations are true, and they might all be false, it wouldn’t take a genius to work our ways around spending limits.
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Think about it this way, and I think I am right in saying this is not in question and was widely reported at the time, but City sold the right to wear a light blue shirt to the Man City Woman’s team for over £20m.
They brought in around £45m by extending the offer to the New York FC.
Ignoring the fact that the money also came from them, or rather the owner, but you can see the sort of deal that they are arleady allowed to do. What would stop a similar deal being done in lieu of a transfer fee?
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For the good of all including both City and PSG this whole thing needs investigating properly by a credible third party to establish whether anyone has anything to answer for and that investigation should include UEFA and senior figures in UEFA too.
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Very devious thinking Alfie but you are of course correct. Nevertheless something needs doing.
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Or team A could buy a player from team B and get Team C to pay for the player.
Like what is normal behaviour for paying managers.
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Its time that everybody recognises this is a money busines. Any attempt to block market conditions will create instability. If an individual decides to invest he can lose or gain. There are now many super rich owners, some invest some dont eg Arsenal eg Spurs eg etc etc.
The so called elite under the corrupt Platini tried to create an unbreachable oligopoly of clubs. It failed. City and PSG are always going to be targets because of their ownership. After all they are not WASPs. Its a surprise Utd and Chelsea havent been targeted too based on their ownnership.
FFP in this form was never going to succeed as it is anti-competetive in its nature.
I still think something -which is fully transparent- is needed but not the biased ffp crap.
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I’ve got nothing against City both they and Chelsea have come from similar backgrounds but rules are rules and all Club’s agreed to comply with the FFP rules I don’t think you can pass off breaking those rules in the way they have allegedly been broken on the basis of it’s just big business or just a money business.
This whole thing has to be investigated properly including the UEFA personels role in it and if the rules need to be amended if they are being so easily broken then amend them and or UEFA have to do their job properly.
Football Club debt was at a ridiculous and unsubstsinable level when these rules came into place and there has been significant improvements in those debts since then that’s a sensible situation for football as a whole.
Where there are rules and club’s have broken them be it City, PSG, Chelsea, United or anyone else they have to take responsibility for that AC Milan are still waiting to hear their final punishment as their year long ban from Europe was overturned by CAS. One Club can’t be treated in one way and not others.
If UEFA fail to act in investigating these allegations they will lose all credability and FFP will be terminally effected.
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It would have been more pragmatic (and honest) if UEFA had said to any newly taken over clubs like City – “Look, we’ll turn a blind eye towards your business model for your first decade to let you get up to speed and established. But after that, these rules will apply, and very strict ones at that.” Rather that then pretending to crackdown on clubs like City when they knew damn well, that was never going to happen.
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I think people need to understand that the allegations of book fiddling, back-dated sponsorship, hidden payments, and general skull duggery, as yet unproven, involve Man City; not anyone else.
All other clubs have managed to exist without resorting to the cheating outlined by der Speigel. This is not a ‘money business’ or a ‘blocked market condition’ thing, this is not something that happens with newly wealthy clubs.
This is something where the club is rotten to the core. Where people think that rules area for others, where directors have no inclination to follow the rules. Where arrogance knows no limits.
An independent investigation is required and any person found complicent in the behaviour alleged should be banned from football for life.
HMRC will also want to get involved to see if they have lost out.
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Mikus – UEFA pretty much did all that for city. They did turn a blind eye, allowed them to pay lip service to the rules. Allowed them to choose their own punishment, which city described themselves as having no material effect on them. They then told City that they would get tough.
What did City do then? Well if the stories are to be believed City went to depths never seen before, which are still quite difficult to believe, in order to cheat, to hide to stick two fingers up at everyone else.
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