4th November 2018 at 9:09 pm #27907
Ultimately I think you are probably right Brian.5th November 2018 at 12:26 am #27908
The issue is corruption and not FFP. I think UEFA needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, or just dissolved entirely.5th November 2018 at 3:10 pm #27913
Makaveli…I do not draw a difference between how FFP and Corruption….they are all at it!!!!!!!5th November 2018 at 3:11 pm #27914
PS…I do agree though , it does need to be re built but UEFA is now running out of options and the Global tag will take over5th November 2018 at 3:19 pm #27916
This is all the legacy of the decision in the 90s to change the first division to the premier league and European Cup to the Champions League. It inevitably turned clubs into greedy businesses with the advent of lucrative pay per view TV deals which led to lucrative commercial deals. (They knew fans would pay because they had what they wanted, they had them over a barrel). And now the premier league and UEFA are losing control of the ‘monsters’ they created. Surprise, surprise.6th November 2018 at 2:50 pm #27942
Mikus, you may well be right and this is another reason why the hypocites in UEFA are chaseing City again. Our new Management, years ago, with other clubs started to rattle the cosy club they created now they are issueing threats, which to me, shows just how much they are rattled. The one thing they forgot, they may have stewardship of an organised competition, they do not OWN the game of football and this is why there are a number of clubs talking about leaving there domain…Sacre Bleu!!!!! Football is crying out for a Major reconstruction6th November 2018 at 3:06 pm #27943
Brian, what threats are UEFA issuing? I’ve not heard of any threats and in these revelations UEFA have seemingly been cooperating with City all the way up to Infantino.
These are unproven allegations but the whole thing does need investigating by a bona fide third party imo. Until that happens and any conclusions are drawn both City and PSG remain innocent.6th November 2018 at 9:50 pm #27982
Nine…I admit I was sucked into a press article, maybe the Mail which suggested Uefa wants to ban us. I should have taken it with a pinch of salt but then again these guys are never going to make sense as far as city go and others. The rules are stupid anyhow, football is a business now first and foremost, I regret that but it is fact, on the plus side, the game is better than when I first started watching in 1944 from a fans and player point of view. The other point in all this is somebody has gone to a lot of trouble to get all these so called facts, maybe illegal as well and I guess the lawyers will work on that in the early stages…it will drag on but hopefully will not unsettle City6th November 2018 at 9:59 pm #27983
Documents from wikileaks have already been used in court in evidence against: Messi, Ronaldo, Mourinho and numerous tax evaders.
Not sure that defence would work.
Also worth noting that this, if used, will be in a UEFA, PL or CAS internal case. I doubt, if true, any of the offences are legal offences, merely unscrupulous behaviour to cheat a sport.7th November 2018 at 7:41 am #27986
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FFP is a joke, As a bloke said the other day football is like pretty much like every other sport in that it is 100% dominated by money. There is no loyalty other than supporters & only the rich will win. Sad but true, I used to love Boxing & Rugby League but they have also fallen victim to the money & I no longer enjoy them like I used to. Look at every “competition” in football, Germany Bayern will win it, England c$ty will win it, Scotland Celtic will win it, etc etc. The only one with any real competition is Spain with Real & Barca. I’ll jist settle for hitting the surf here in Oz & forget about “sport”, it’s no longer enjoyable for me.7th November 2018 at 1:34 pm #27991
Brian, UEFA and senior UEFA personell are allegedly involved in covering some of this up it’s difficult to know what to believe but for the good of City and PSG these accusations shouldn’t be left hanging over them and the whole thing needs thoroughly investigating by a credible third party imo either to clear City and PSG’s names or to take whatever actions are deemed necessary.
Currently as things stand the whole credibility of FFP and UEFA is under question and that needs to be cleared up too.7th November 2018 at 3:31 pm #27992
Nine….I guess they are in it in some way. I fail to see the significance of FFP since one way or another all clubs will find a way, no matter how large or small. Football is the investor target now, how much money will the new Chinese owner of Wigan put in, more than City???? How much more will teams borrow based on large income streams from sponsors….what I am trying to say is the game has changed and UEFA and Fifa sat on there pedestals thinking they would not be challenged. If the source is corrupt how can they possibly apply sanctions, no doubt they will and have to live with the future consequences themselves. I go back to an earlier remark I made as well, The Champion league should be for Champions not runners up,3/4/5/6th.7th November 2018 at 4:08 pm #27995
FFP was invented not to provide financial fair play but to retain the status quo with, at that time the so called ‘elite’teams making it nearly impossible for anybody else.
There are certain clubs – guess who – that dont like it. In Germany the papers dont like Bayern’s monopoly being challenged. In Spain, -I have this on very good authority- the royal family, who previously bailed them out- are concerned about the demise of Real Madrid.
I actually believe in a FFP but not the original one. Those parameters were biased – for example to ignore debt levels. Of course Real, Milan, Barca, Utd etc etc would be caught up. So it was ignored.
The best approach is to limit spending. £100m per season – not per window. It would mean,though, players wages would increase dramatically. However, more use might be made of academy players.
UEFA etc need to be carful not to open Pandora’s box if the just investigate one or two clubs.7th November 2018 at 4:15 pm #27996
There is also major concern about the, in my opinion, inevitable European Super League.
UEAFA would be finished. The league’s cash cow would stop. So there will be a concerted effort to stop it by all those with vested interest.
How? Lean on key wealthy clubs not to follow up.7th November 2018 at 5:16 pm #27998
Isn’t UEFA accused of minimising the punishments to City and PSG, rather than covering up the continuous and systematic cheating that City are accused of? I’m sure the article states that they were not aware of the full set of allegations being made.
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