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Here’s one for Sean just to show how unbelievably biased I am and full of excuses…
Yesterday we had to play without the whole of our first choice midfield KDB, Rodri and Bernardo
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Weird. Apparently, there were numerous bodies in handling of VAR and there was some kind of communication breakdown between pitch-side and Stockley Park. Someone thought the goal originally stood. But the Linesman was the one that flagged for offside cutting short Luis Diaz’s celebration.
Somebody wasn’t paying attention and taking care at all.
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Sean, I am proud mate of our boys. Love them to bits. Klopp’s tactics/strategy with 9 men nearly paid off. Spurs stadium of fans grew in frustration. It took a Matip own goal to break down the chess game of 11 versus 9.
I’ll take defeat. What I won’t accept is incompetency when various broadcasting networks of their pundits have all agreed that the goal should have stood.
Arteta had the same with an Apology, but that doesn’t bring back the points lost.
We could have been Top of The Table, Second with a Draw. 2 Occasions too we have lost to City by 1 point.
These decisions in reality are VITAL.
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That makes no sense to me. If they thought the onfield decision was a goal, they would surely be checking the same thing – offside. Why would they draw lines for offside but not check for it? Surely if they thought the onside decision was wrong then they would be the ones to overrule that, that is quite literally their job. They would be better off saying they thought the onside decision was no goal, then they could say ‘we thought they hadn’t given it, which we agreed with’.
But I am sure wrongly flagged as offside on the day anyway.
As for the lines, we have always been told that the pictures on screen are not the ones Stockley park use. They have other angles etc and the lines are drawn by computer. Or at lease that is what they said with the Garnacho offside. That means that the pictures are from sky, who draw their own lines – but sky don’t seem to know this.
AS the lines would have been drawn in Stockley park by the computer it should just say onside or offside and relay that to the ref.
As always, it’s clear as mud what the actual process is.
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You bore me adlab, your the worst kind of fan out there.
You ignore everything peiole say and bang the poor city drum all the time.
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Waspy, the one fing they ain’t is poor!!
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Alfie, that’s the one mate. You are spot-on. That is in essence their job.
I don’t think going forward, the operation should take place at Stockley Park. All it needs is somebody in the ground. Any of the Pundits can do it. No special training needed, but of course the knowledge and the rules of the game.
Those lines I’ve seen are often bent against the perimeter of the actual pitch.
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Sorry, misunderstood the slide! They thought it was given as a goal, so checked for any reason why it couldn’t stand, didn’t see one and said check complete.
I’m surprised it was given as offside on the pitch as he was at least a foot onside and they are usually good at that.
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The 2 refs officiating the Liverpool game were both officiating a game in the UAE just a few days prior.
Adlab, Where are the City owners from?
VAR has exposed how corrupt the game is. I cannot believe even with technology, the refs can get so much wrong.
There needs to be a clamp down on pundits and so called journalists influencing the refs. The outcry with the Onana decision in comparison to a stone wall penalty Brentford should have got against Spurs that same weekend was alarming. If you are going to discuss 1, discuss the other too. We all know United sell and make clicks, but the level of coverage was just ridiculous.
Dermot Gallagher also showed his double standards last week when he said the Arsenal penalty against Spurs was correct, yet the 1 United should have received against Spurs just a few weeks prior was the right call too, mentioning the player was too close to the player, so it wasn’t a penalty.
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That is a good point raised on here CM. Looks as though this is going to be investigated. A conflict of interest.
I’ve never seen since the inception of VAR anything so smeared and cross-wired. It’s unbelievable that the process wasn’t followed as it should have been.
The model and framework has unraveled I’m sure doubt in competency and trust.
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When you observe VAR during international tournaments like the Euros and World Cup, many applaud it. Saying how brilliant it is.
Which makes you question, why do our refs get so much wrong when we have it in place. Mike Dean not so long ago said he didn’t want to show up his mate, so he ignored utilising VAR for a decision. If that isn’t admitting conflict of interest and corruption, then what is. How quickly did those comments get brushed under the carpet too.
We do not go a weekend without scratching our heads thinking something isn’t right here.
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The reason is once again not Var itself but the people sleeping behind it, we have had bad officials for a very long time in this country probably since the 90s, before that time England was recognised as having the world’s best officials for many years, for some reasons the standards suddenly dropped hugely and never recovered for the past 30 odd years. As far as offside is concerned it should only be offside if your feet are in front of the line as that is the only real way an attacking player has unfair advantage. But that’s another story to be debated. For now one way they can show more transparency is letting everyone listen to what they are discussing and showing us clear lines which I don’t think is top notch at the moment, in fact most times for some reason we don’t get to see the lines anymore.
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Sean. You should spot the wind up😇
On this very poor decision. Sadly this is not an isolated incidence. But does this really warrant national news coverage?
Which of our teams haven’t suffered poor refereeing decisions and shocking VAR decisions?
We had a bad ,or should I say non decision, against us on Saturday. The guy who scored Wolves second definitely should have got a second yellow for a foul on Walker. He didn’t but why didn’t it make the national news.
Because shocking decisions happen every week, nearly every game. Rest assured there will be another match and another decision which will go Liverpool way.
Sorry if that’s boring 😴
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This one is a bigger story than VAR made a mistake. We all accept handball, fouls which leads to red cards, and some elements of offside (was the player interfering with play) are subjective. We can have an ex-ref, or head of refs, appear on TV and obfuscate until the cows come home as to why the decision was correct. We can then see the same ex-ref or head of refs appear on tv some time later and contradict what they said a few weeks ago in their latest attempts to obfuscate poor decisions.
Fans lap that up as it backs up their tribal agendas.
However, this is not that, this is a glaring, obvious error from VAR which no amount of obfuscation will cover up. This is a huge mistake which no one, not even the most tribal of tribal fan can justify. Yes, it deserves national coverage. However, the PGMOL were quick to put their hands up and explain what went wrong. They need to learn and move on from it. They should be humbled and want to improve. There should be no more obfuscation when things go wrong, no more contradictions about decisions. They need to accept VAR is not working and put measures in place to fix that. This will benefit everyone, it’s not a tribal matter.
They need to start to re-ref matches using VAR. Is there a reason why this goal cannot stand, and they need to be consistent with their application of the laws. They cannot disallow a goal for offside one week and the very next week allow a similar goal to stand against the team who had one chalked off the week before.
They need to do this quicker, and more consistently than they do now. Give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team and improve what has become a shambles.
But yes, this incident did warrant becoming national news.
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You know my feelings about this and VAR and making unintelligible decisions.
Question and honest answer. Would this have been talked and fussed about if it had been Crystal Palace playing say Sheffield United or Villa?
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Even with VAR, I don’t think it helps when the rules have “grey” areas…
Take offside for example, make it obvious what part of the body’s count (you could adopt from ice-hockey for example and just use the players boots, both defenders and attackers.. if an attackers boot is beyond a defenders boot, then offside it is!)… get rid of this “interference with play” nonsense… if a players offside, he’s offside, doesn’t matter where they are on the pitch… if VAR can’t tell one way or the other, then it’s either go with the initial call (or always give it to the attacking team)… there you go, offside is now black and white…
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Adlab, I think there was a few weeks back an issue at Villa with a penalty call. VAR etc took forever sorting it out.
I’m pretty sure just this season alone with only 7 weeks in, there’s more problems inflicted than resolutions where fans of the game whoever they support have felt good about Var and Refereeing.😕
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I was never a fan of VAR from the get go, suspected then and still believe now, it causes more problems that it solves…
But I will say this… the poor refs are on a hiding to nothing. With players/managers/pundits/fans having access to unprecedented views from the 15/20 camera’s that are at every top-flight game, there is always going to be “discussions” about what was a foul, what wasn’t a foul, which combined to players screaming like little girls, managers yelling in support, and fans just yelling abusive nonsense, there’s always going to be disagreements about incidents in every single game.
All VAR has done had highlight this.
I actually feel sorry for the refs…
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Chucks, it’s not the model itself but those operating it and lack of transparency. Why Stockley Park. Why not have a panel sat on the gantry? It’s easy and not that hard. They are making a mountain out of it at times, and they are still getting it wrong best of times. ⚽️🕹
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Don’t see why having a VAR team at every stadium at every match will solve anything, cyber chum, all the replays are on screens and if I can see them pretty instantly here in Finland, don’t see why having them at Stockley Park makes one iota of difference.
It’s pure and simple, VAR cocked up, there was a breakdown in commumnication between Stockley Park and the ref on the pitch (which could have occured anyway even they were in the stadium) and now everybody and his dog knows what happened, you know there’s going to be new protocals in place (as I’m pretty sure no Ref wants this to happen again, considering the amount of “abuse” doing the rounds).
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