21st January 2019 at 11:50 am #31817
Been a bit of chat on here about diving so thought I would create a thread for it. Now I’m pretty certain we are all against diving in our own ideal football world. It should be banned yes? But like the game itself, has diving/cheating now developed into something more complex? Is it something we should accept or even applaud?
To me there are different types of dives:
1) The Tom Daly. This is the one I think FIFA have identified and tried to do something about. It’s the typical no contact whatsoever and the player takes flight in a bid to trick the ref into thinking there was. It’s so blatant I think the top players know it’s too hard to produce without getting caught. Last time I saw it was the hilarious one Smalling did in his own half which led to a goal conceded!
2) The Harry Kane. Harry seems to have learnt from Master Micheal Owen on this one. Knock the ball past the goalie (don’t matter if it will go out, just know it past), then as you go past kick him with your back foot. You can probably do it with a defender too to be honest.
3) The Mo Salah. Feel contact (it is a contact sport no?) then fall over in a much exaggerated way. Probably the most common type and difficult for the ref to distinguish between genuine instances and cheats, and one that stirs the discussions with rival fans.
4) The Neymar. Not a dive as such (although he does have the full repertoire at his disposal!) but the rolling about the floor as if been shot. To me this is a cheat just as much as a Tom Daly or any other.
5) The Suarez. Again not a dive but a cheat? Remember him a few times near the byline and he would flick the ball towards the defenders arm. Either he would get past or he would claim a handball (not sure any were actually given). A cheat? Or just cleaver play?
Lets keep things civil and avoid the tribalism that this topic would inevitably attract on some other forum. What’s acceptable? What should the punishment be? Should they impose a red card for diving? Would that make any difference if the ref can’t spot it anyway? Should we embrace it as part of the modern game?21st January 2019 at 12:03 pm #31818
sean the sailorParticipant107 pts
A huge problem is refs don’t give pens when players are blatantly fouled but stay in their feet. I’ve seen proper fouls on players who haven’t gone down and not got a pen. It seems you have to hit the deck all the time to get a pen.
Can’t stand what salah did on sat. The problem there is people even questioned the Brighton pen when it was a clear foul. He has that rep now
I think that’s what cost sterling a pen yday. Linesman shoukd have seen that but sterling has gone easily in the past
A red card needs to introduced. Owen introduced that foul in 2002 wc againest Argentina and Kane does it to a tee now21st January 2019 at 12:13 pm #31819
Love the names… surely the “Sir Harry Kane” should be the “Micheal Owen”, as it was wee Micky who invented it? Anyway, you missed the “Jamie Vardy”, when a player deliberatly gets he’s legs tangles with a defender causing them both to fall over… 🙂
The problem I have the the “Salah Dives”, and as my bestest ever cyber chum Waspy mentions above, is the notion that players themselves have decided there was enough contact for them to fall over. That isn’t their job. That’s the refs job. I don’t see the ref’s telling players how to take free-kicks etc.. so the players shouldn’t really be telling the refs how to ref the game either. Sure, the ref might miss some, but they’ll miss some for everybody. Any player who deliberately falls over, having decided the contact was enough in their own opinion, is cheating. It doesn’t matter how much contact there is.
As I said on the other thread, peno’s are given away too easily these days, it only encourages the players to play for them instead of playing the game!21st January 2019 at 12:16 pm #31820
Oh, shouldn’t the “Tom Daley” be either the “Garath Bale” or “Ashley Young”?21st January 2019 at 12:21 pm #31821
We will probably all agree that the refs are not good enough. But have we gone past the point of no return? Will introducing a red card make any difference when a yellow or retrospective action has had little effect?
I’ve been very disappointed with the retrospective banning system, as I alluded to in the opening post I think it’s just the blatant Tom Daley dives that receiving any action, but most top players know to avoid doing these but can get away with the others.21st January 2019 at 12:21 pm #3182221st January 2019 at 1:40 pm #31823
If there’s one debate guaranteed to go round in circles it’s diving with claims of so and so in your team dives too.
We’ve all got them and so far nothing Salah has done has changed a game in Liverpool’s favour hopefully Klopp has a word it would be a shame if Salah lost the very credible reputation he has built up with all parties through his football.
Saturday’s one by Salah was probably his most ridiculous yet though.😊21st January 2019 at 1:47 pm #31824
But those that are given do change the course of a game though, and there’s been a few of them this season…
And I’m going to suggest Salah already has that “reputation” issue, as do all the players who practice the dark arts on a regular basis…21st January 2019 at 1:51 pm #31825
Nine, I don’t want to start a finger pointing debate, more that I am interested in people’s opinions on how to tackle it or if we should accept it.
The names at the start were just a bit of fun but also so people could identify difference types of dive as I believe this is were a problem lies. It’s universally condemned if someone goes for a double front somersault in the area with the nearest defender 2 meters away but then when Kane does a Harry Kane or Salah a Mo Salah dive then I hear people say it was well played. Is this acceptable? If not, what can be done? If Neymer was retrospectively banned for his antics he’d never be able to play again! But the authorities turn a blind eye. Why? Or are we all living in a bygone era and need to get with the times?21st January 2019 at 1:52 pm #31826
Salah only got the reputation about 4 weeks ago. He’s been accused before (yup there’s that diving contradiction again) of being too honest when he could of gone down.21st January 2019 at 1:53 pm #31827
Chucky, I’m not sure of any so called Salah dive that’s so far had a significant impact on a game but you’re right goals change games.21st January 2019 at 1:55 pm #31828
threeps, the only way to tackle it mate is to hand out retrospective bans the authorities have the power to do so but seem reluctant to use it. If Salah picked up a two match ban for Saturday he would cut it out as ultimately so would others. A few months down the line it would have been almost put to bed.
21st January 2019 at 1:57 pm #31830
- This reply was modified 3 months ago by nine nine nine.
Not referring to Salah at all cyber chum… a more in general comment! 🙂
Tree, I think he has cyber chum, just been “highlighted” more lately… (guess I am referring to Salah now! 😉 )21st January 2019 at 1:58 pm #31831
That’s the biggest problem with this issue. The powers that be have the “power”, but haven’t been arsed to use it. This could have been, and should have been, nipped in the bud years ago.21st January 2019 at 3:49 pm #31832
Brian blueParticipant132 pts
The “powers that be” never get the important things right for the good of the game. I agree, should have been stopped years ago, there was a time when you never watched it happen…it is an imported trait to our game. It is difficult to know the best way to resolve it but I would like them to try retrospective viewing and hard punishiment to the player and club for a season to see if it has an effect. I watched an incident not long ago with a player clutching his face and doubled up in so called agony when he was not even touched. That, to me is a 5 match ban at least. I also think some Refs are afraid of star player punishment, why, I do not know
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