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  • #85397
    Pagan
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      Scotland suspended all football including grass roots indefinitely, that’s a big step, expect England to follow suit…..Pagan

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      #85463
      nine nine nine
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        Next month’s Masters postponed.

        Bahrain and Vietnam F1 Grand Prix’s postponed.

        If the Euros are postponed it would be because it’s unsafe to hold them this virus is predicted by the medical experts to peak in June no one knows when it would be safe to start playing football again.

        Even if there was no Euros and it was considered safe to play domestic games cramming 9 games into the period from June until the start of the season would be very difficult taking into account pre season and possible contracted season tournamments even if the season was delayed then there’s players who have been transferred too. Zilyich for instance would be a Chelsea player on June 1st. And squads could be considerably unbalanced.

        Nobody is sure we will be in a position to restart domestic football in June we might not even be in a position to start the new season in August. The only thing we can be sure of is the complete uncertainty of it all.

        A simple solution might be to average out the current number of points each team has and then extrapolate that times 38 games by no means perfect but it might be the only and fairest way to decide the title (obviously Liverpool’s) as well as European,relegation and promotion places.

        But there are no easy answers because of the unpredictability of what we are dealing with the most important thing though for everyone to remember is that human lives come before Football and all Sports.

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        #85467
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          There’s also a human side to all this. The players, some of which had no plans to play in the summer at the Euros anyway, aren’t necessarily going to want to just play on all through the summer. They will have holidays/breaks planned.

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          #85472
          Pagan
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            9, the rules are in place, you have to complete all your games, even if you have amassed enough points so it’s mathematically impossible to be caught that doesn’t take into consideration potential point deductions for rule breaking.

            Yes it’s very unlikely that any team would have points deducted, but that’s why you have to complete the whole of the season. I also think any rule changes have to have the backing of all the clubs, so the bottom 3 will definitely be going for the league being void….Pagan

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            #85475
            Editor
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              Anyone know what happens to the PL prize money in a situation where the league is void? I’m trying to imagine how a side currently say 16th/17th might go in such a vote. I’d imagine few would want it to be void if the prize money was withheld, apart from the bottom 3

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              #85480
              nine nine nine
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                Pagan, re the bottom Clubs yes I get that I thought there needed to be a vote by 14 Clubs in the PL re any rule changes?

                “Clubs have the opportunity to propose new rules or amendments at the Shareholder meeting. Each Member Club is entitled to one vote and all rule changes and major commercial contracts require the support of at least a two-thirds vote, or 14 clubs, to be agreed.”

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                #85512
                Pagan
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                  9, that may be true for the shareholder meeting, but this is way beyond that as taking the league as a snapsshot or extrapolating doesn’t take into account a team going on a winning run, like Leicester did and getting out of trouble, and we all know what happened the next season…..Pagan

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                  #85539
                  nine nine nine
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                    Pagan, you will never get a 100% agreement from all Clubs as they have different objectives relevant to their own individual needs. The transfer window rules were changed on a majority of 11 so a majority of 14 is seemingly not always required.

                    “A vote may be required for any change to the existing deadline and under Premier League rules, eleven clubs – a majority – are required to change the date and time of summer transfer windows.” Sky Sports

                    Seemingly the change to the transfer rulings went through on the majority of 11.

                    If the rule is as you suggest that Clubs have to complete the whole or the League is null and void that would negate Liverpool winning the PL which seems more than a little unfair to me and it also leaves the CL and EL up in the air as well as relegation and promotion.

                    I think the reality is none of us really know and we’re all best guessing the outcomes if we get to on or near April 3rd and we can’t recommence the PL and it looks like the PL can’t be completed.

                    Hopefully we’ll get some indications as to when the PL would be null and voided if it can’t be repeated and what the implications of that are.

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                    #85543
                    Pagan
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                      9, I think the only thing that would be certain should the league be voided is quite a few lawyers will make an awful lot of money….Pagan

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                      #85544
                      nine nine nine
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                        For sure Pagan.?

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                        #85562
                        maverick1973
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                          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8110439/Football-Europe-braced-shutdown-SEPTEMBER-UEFA-meeting-decide-season.html

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                          #85567
                          Brian blue
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                            Pagan…you are right… some will make a lot of money out of a bad situation and be happy to do so…that is the bad side of human nature

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                            #85576
                            nine nine nine
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                              “Greg Clarke is now worried that the season will not be able to reach a conclusion which could mean Liverpool will not be crowned champions for the first time in 30 years after all.

                              If the FA chairman’s worry comes true then clubs will lose billions of pounds in TV money – the Premier League alone could be slapped with losses mounting up to £750million.

                              The reality for the Premier League and Uefa is that if they don’t complete their seasons then they are in breach of their broadcasting contracts.” Daily Express

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                              #85634
                              Brian blue
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                                Nine..the reality you describe maybe right but this situation is akin to a ww3, then no matter what all arguments stop Of course there are going to be huge losses but these administrations created there own monster, probably, without any protection so will only have one thought in there mind…how do we soak fans, directly through turnstiles or indirect through TV. Nobody is repaying fans as far as I know for there domestic situation, which are millions of us.Does the FA want to see coffins on there doorstep for not completing contract….a bit of common sense required, in the FA case I give up on that

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                                #85684
                                Mikus LFC
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                                  We’ll know a lot more in the next 14 days on how bad this thing is in Britain. But even if it proves not as bad as feared, the restrictions will surely have to stay in place a lot longer to keep the numbers as low as possible. If the season can continue, then I suspect it will be behind closed doors. But it will only take a few cases to pop up again in a few teams for the whole thing to stop again. I’d therefore be pretty pessimistic that the league can be completed. And I wouldn’t be too optimistic about next season to be honest. It’s a heck of a legacy this is going to leave us with this, but obviously our priority is everybody’s health and well-being.

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                                  #85906
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                                    I just cant add to what Im sure is a good conversation. Apologies lads, ive not read the comments.. it flies inth e face of this kind of forum but I have had a think about it and if they don’t award Liverpool the title, or come up with an out of the4 box solution then I am going to be done with the sport.

                                    To rival fans, admit it, you all secretly love this and you’ll sing about asterisk.

                                    We’ve been robbed of the greatest ever season.

                                    I think I might be done with football.

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                                    #85943
                                    nine nine nine
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                                      Mak, you need to take a step back mate.

                                      If the Season doesn’t get completed which is very possible there’s still every chance that Liverpool will be awarded the title.

                                      But we are in unchartered waters now and this doesn’t just effect Liverpool Football Club it it effects lots of Clubs because it also has to be decided who is awarded CL and EL places who is relegated or possibly not and who is promoted or possibly not and it doesn’t just effect the PL either it goes right down through all the Division’s.

                                      And perhaps more importantly as the Prime Minister said:

                                      “It is going to spread further and I must level with you, I must level with the British public: many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time.”

                                      That’s a chilling message and what we should all be focusing on imo people’s lives are far far more important than who wins what in football or in any Sport and Brian is right this situation is akin to World War 3. And it will take some beating.

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                                      #85948
                                      nine nine nine
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                                        Brian, re your post @10:02 pm yesterday just to clarify my post above re Gregg Clarke was an extract from the Daily Express and it wasn’t in support of what Greg Clarke’s thinking might be it was to underline the real threat that this season may never be completed.

                                        In all of my posts I’ve always gone out of my way to confirm my view that people’s lives come before Football and indeed any Sport and I will never change from that view.

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                                        #85957
                                        Brian blue
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                                          Nine….I knew and understood that I was trying to elude to the nuttiness of the FA and UEFA .

                                          As far as the Premier goes I would freeze the league now, crown Liverpool,, since they are so much in front and deserve to be, no relegation this season since there are a number of teams that could drop. Tough maybe on the Championship teams but something has to give in this situation. Lets stop thinking about the why and wherefore of football and think of the poor souls suffering

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                                          #85960
                                          nine nine nine
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                                            Cheers Brian agree with all of that.

                                            I’ve read they’re thinking about no relegation from the PL and 2 teams promoted from the Championship with 5 teams to be relegated from the PL next season.

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