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My defeatist attitude at the moment Adlab. Dead and Buried. No La Porte. No Van Dijk.
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Yea people will take pleasure in one team not dominating and likely some pleasure that once again poor old nil is depressed boo fucking hoo
Let’s all feel sorry for you yet again because you haven’t won a football match
You really are a piece of work you need a slap and sort yourself out
Totally fed up trying to read posts and only the nil and Liverpool show
Mind numbingly boringNo wonder this place has died a death
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Completely understand your reaction Steve.
Nil, sort it out please. You have Liverpool threads if you want to have a moan. You’ve been asked so many times now through the years to stop moaning late at night on the main forum.
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A long long way to go yet.
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Nil, I’m not going to address your post to me because it’s more than silly but I’m sorry mate I can only endorse Stevo’s comment you really do need to get a grip mate.
Football is a game of ups and downs if you can’t handle that buddie you need to try something else.
This may not be Liverpool’s season in the PL who knows but Liverpool are still only 3 points behind United and currently only 1 point behind City who Liverpool play shortly at Anfield and Liverpool are still well in the title race with everything to play for.
Tell you what I would gladly swap places!
Take the Ed’s advice for your good and the good of the site or better still don’t post at all after a Liverpool disappointment and take yourself off to bed with a hot chocolate and a Kit Kat things will always look better in the morning and you won’t have to endure the criticism for your behaviour.
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Did you know why so many decisions went Fergusons way, he used to visit refs before the game I don’t what day or time but he spoke to them in a sublime threatening manner if they didn’t blow for his team. I will send the link when I find it again.
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Please do Moos, I look forward to reading that 😄
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Me too 🙂
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Truly anyone of the top six can win the league. A couple of poor results don’t make a season.
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This is not the actual article still trying to locate it.
https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/31602,_____________________________
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Looks completely legit this Moos! 😂
Agree Adlab. City clear favourites but still so tight at the top. Assuming everyone wins their games in hand, Spurs are only 5 points off the top. Wheover wins it, would be great if it stays close all season. Well, except for the fans of the teams involved!
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It’s a very long read but here’s the crux of it: Thus we may bring into question the conceptions of Ferguson as a manager devoted to attacking sides, who created his title-winners singularly organically. It may in turn be asked to what extent Ferguson encouraged – rather than merely reacted to – the spiralling wage demands of top players. The thoroughly unpalatable side of Ferguson’s tenure shows in what may generously be termed the ‘gamesmanship’ about his person and of his teams. Other phrases which could stand in for this ‘gamesmanship’ include dishonesty, viciousness, arrogance, and willingness to cheat. The ‘mind-games’ which Ferguson has famously engaged in have frequently possessed an abusive, inescapably personal edge; and his reaction to defeat has typically been one of blame and vitriolic anger. He and his sides have led the way in English football when it comes to haranguing and abusing referees. His teams have possessed far more than their share of players who systematically foul the opposition; deliberately hurt the opposition; repeatedly dive; and transgress the rules in the most flagrant and obnoxious of ways.
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Moos, you’ll need to do better than that. That’s basically a person’s opinion. Show me some factual evidence that Utd got favourable decisions or that Ferguson did what you said. Quotes, statistics, anything that’s not just an opinion.
Something like this article for example which focuses on statistical models and facts http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2018/02/are-referees-biased-against-certain-teams-in-the-english-premier-league/
Really interesting read if you like statistics.
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Anyway Moos, go and create a Ferguson thread if you like as it’s really not at all related to this thread
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It was well known that Fergie bent the ears of Referee’s he was a winner and it still goes on today with today’s Managers.
Fergie was still the best Manager the PL has ever seen and is likely to see too.
The article was a blog from an Arsenal fan so no bias there.😊
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I have no doubt that he tried Nine. I have no doubt they were all at it back then though. It just fits the agenda to target Utd and Ferguson because they were so successful and people didn’t like that. Crouch famously declared John Terry used “disgusting” tactics with referees (including going in to referees to talk to them before a game). Absolutely no difference. https://talksport.com/football/587250/peter-crouch-chelsea-john-terry-tactics-referees/
There’s no evidence or stats to back up the fact that any of it worked though, whether it was players or managers at it.
Mark Halsey said:
“To suggest we have ever been influenced by Sir Alex is a myth.
“United have got more decisions than others down the years because of the quality of their team.
“They tend to get a lot of penalties, for example, because they have the ball in the final third more than their opponents.
“I never encountered Alex Ferguson saying anything that affected a referee.
“When I went up there, I gave what I saw, the same as anywhere else. You ref fairly and to the best of your ability.
“Referees do make mistakes sometimes and I’m sure there are incidents where Wenger has cause for complaint — but to suggest any referee was intimidated by Sir Alex is nonsense.”
And Graham Poll:
“I refereed United 57 times in my career. Thirty of those were at Old Trafford and I can say with a great deal of certainty and 100 per cent honesty that I was never in any way affected by those comments.”
So, whilst I have no doubt they were all up to those kind of tactics back then, I think people way overestimate any influence this kind of thing had on refs. Same goes for Terry and Ferguson and everyone else who tried it on.
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From the article…“Based on pre-match betting odds, Manchester United was expected to attain 70.6 points in those 37 matches, but actually attained 73.”
The problem with that analysis is that the betting odds could be taking Ferguson’s influence on referees (if it significantly exists) into account. So the fact that the results supported the odds doesn’t prove Ferguson didn’t have any influence. Of course referees would never say they were affected by comments. What Fergie quite often did was plant a seed in his press conferences which subconsciously could well have had an affect. Indeed I seem to remember a game at Anfield where before the game Fergie lamented how his side hadn’t got a penalty at the ground for a long time. And when the actual game came, they were awarded a penalty.
As this article suggests,
“Clattenburg also admitted that times are different from when Ferguson was manager of United, arguing that there was an aura around the club that saw them given favourable decisions.
Clattenburg went on to admit that he may not have given Liverpool three penalties at Old Trafford in 2014 had Ferguson still been in charge of the Reds at that time instead of David Moyes.”
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There are flaws to any analysis Mikus. There will be no single definitive answer to the question of whether or not Utd or any of the top clubs received favourable decisions. Same goes for Liverpool last season where they became known as LiVARpool. Clearly a nonsense nickname but things stick and confirmation bias soon creeps in.
The fact people weren’t talking about Liverpool getting favourable decisions until last season pretty much sums my point up. You get to the top and every decision you get is suddenly under the spotlight and people forget the decisions that go against you.
The problem is that I think there’s an argument that it goes too much the other way. Howard Webb was famously mocked for supposedly favouring Utd and admitted that really affected him towards the end of his career. That’s bound to have an effect going the other way. Where he’d have been frightened to give Man Utd decisions for fear of being mocked more.
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It is rather sad the way the game has gone. I think the problem is that because football is such a big business now, with a win at all costs mentality, coupled with the fact that football has become even more tribal now, you will inevitably get a greater bullying culture to influence decisions. On a deeper point, the democracies of the world are going the same way. No respect for the other side anymore, it’s all about winning. So much for progress.
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