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Alfie, VAR can only be used to
Make sure a goal is legitimate
Penalty decision
Confirm or rescind a red card
Mistaken identityThis can either be done by the ref looking at a video screen or the ref can ask for it to be done remotely.
Diving doesn’t come into it unless it is given as a penalty and the ref want to check his decision, diving is a yellow card offence and as such cannot be reviewed
…..Pagan
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That’s as good as it will get people. What more do you want? There’ve been cries for this for years and now when there’s finally something in place, fans are still finding fault!
Alfie, good point on how the person viewing advises the Ref. One possibility is for the Ref to coincide with the Assistant and view the footage collectively – best course of action.
I’m not bothered at all about disruption or how long it takes as long as it’s serving it’s purpose to support better overall decision-making and cut out the dishonesty some players out there clearly want to exhibit and think to try and get away with it.
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Nil, but if it doesn’t pick up a clear penalty there’s something that’s not working properly .
To be fair the reason that VAR is going through this trial period it is, is to iron out the kinks in it and yesterday’s incident hopefully might help towards doing that. Last night was not such an important game but you wouldn’t want it happening in a CL Final for instance and changing the course of a game the wrong way.
It’s the same with the new Retrospective diving rule it was a dive by Pedro and that should get referred to the Retrospective Diving Panel and Pedro should get a two match ban for it .
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Pagan – fully agree.
Nil – agree also, the ref should really run to the side and review it themselves. Saves all the faff. The problem will still be what makes a foul though, as not all contact is a foul – as plenty of recent incidents have shown – but at least it’s the match ref making the decision that way, and we will get to see what each individual ref considers to be enough contact for a foul.
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Villian one was dubious, though after seeing the replays on the BBC website, my heart says it’s a Pen.
Pedro on the other hand was a let down, so you can understand what might have driven and influenced the Ref into making that call on Villian.
Nine, that’s true, and my point is that it’s not the Tech to blame, but ultimately, the Person operating it which means it’s not fool-proof in accordance to the example of Villian.
Alfie totally agree mate. At that point of time, something sensible should be agreed and I wouldn’t think it would take that long too. I would like this too if allowed to be a habit because it will then place in the mind of the Ref just how easy it is to make a wrong call (by mistake) in real time.
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The Pedro one was after the Willian one, so would not have influenced it – unless the ref thought they have an issue with a team I guess.
But as you say, the Willian one was dubious – so not a clear and obvious mistake so not overturned by VAR under the current guidelines. It was one of those where you’ve seen them given and you’ve seen them not given. If it was your team, you’ll want it given! The initial call by the ref is crux with VAR – which makes it a bit of a lottery.
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Very silly comment, even by Banjo standards, but why can’t the MIB get one of those iPad-watch-thingys (which would also give him the benefit of something to do while reffing YooUtd matches)?
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Nil, that’s the problem mate it all still comes down to human error. I would say ultimately we will be better off with VAR than without it but it is never going to be full proof.
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Chuckles, there is a video screen at the side of the pitch that the ref can look at if he wants to review an incident, he can also take advice from the person watching remotely, in my opinion the off pitch observer should have the ability to tell the ref he should look at the video and any final decision should be taken by the ref on the pitch….Pagan
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‘You saw VAR work perfectly last night (at Leicester v Fleetwood),’ Shearer said on BBC. ‘You’re seeing why I was very doubtful about it now.
‘It’s a shambles. Who on earth is looking at that screen at Stockley Park and doesn’t think that’s a penalty?’ Shearer added on Twitter: ‘VAR. Carnage!’
Dion Dublin added: ‘It’s a shocking decision, honestly. I don’t know how they’ve got it wrong.’
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9, it would have been intersting on Tuesday night if the ball had been played through 20 yards further away from goal, I suspect the ref would have gone incorrectly with the flag, rather than let play go to see what happened…Pagan
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Sometimes, some pundits just annoy me and Shearer being one of them. They are lazy. “Shocking this shocking that”
But not one of them will go out of their way to physically help a Referee. This actually is the worse sport for all the excess ‘punditry’ and chat that comes with it.
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Nil, A Ref’s view:
What a shambles. On Tuesday at Leicester I heaped praise on the video referee.
After Wednesday’s game I’m baffled. When Norwich defender Timm Klose brought down Willian in the box in extra time, I can understand Graham Scott not seeing any contact. I can understand him thinking the Chelsea forward dived – but that’s why we have the technology.
Video referee Mike Jones should have said, ‘No, there’s contact, it’s a trip. It’s a penalty.’
Graham Poll.
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I’d prefer the VAR person to say you need to see the video replay you may want to change the decision. If we’re going to have VAR it still needs to be the on field ref that makes the final call…. Pagan
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most of these gutless and patronizing commentators always agree with the officials decisions cause apparently after the game they all socialize to-gether for one reasosn. However there a few that see the truth and those are the ones that deserve respect.
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It’s beginning to make a bit more sense now listening to Graham Poll being interviewed on the radio Mike Jones stationed at Stockley Park did not see the TV pictures we saw last night he had his own feed with different pictures.
According to Poll he’s been told on very good authority that Jones has admitted that had he seen the pictures we all did last night he would have advised the Referee to give a penalty.
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Prince white Yord, it just seems convenient for some of these people to jump on the bangwagon.
I get that there are there to be a ‘Pundit’, but there’s just far too many of them knocking about on various broadcasting networks. They just do my head in and are allowed far too much air time.
As for ex-refs, I don’t mind Howard Webb, but wouldn’t really give a great deal of credence to Graham Poll given his own history of causing a stir or two.
Ultimately, it’s easy for those not involved or no longer involved to judge others and that’s what bugs me about this. We have VAR in place now and what we need is realistic suggestions and solutions to help promote a more accurate game of decision-making.
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9, glad it makes more sense to you, it makes less to me, the off field ref could have sat in one of the boxes at The Bridge, watched it on Sky and shouted to him, you’d get a better result for next to no coast….Pagan
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Crazy that VAR do not use the TV feed. They must have spent a fortune on their own cameras and camera operators.
Goes against what VAR said they would do.
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