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  • #176862
    Brian blue
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    maybe true Blaze but I can see Managers not being to worried about a player being in what is now deemed an offside position. A good tactical manager will find it more to the teams liking because they would have the players to exploit the “man less in midfield or wherever then the opposing team adopting the tactic would be more worried about being overloaded. Depends very much on the teams abilities, of course there will be always a team that can exploit it but I think this maybe a few.
    I still think it is worth a try, failing that, I think the whole body would have to be in an offside position not part of, which is a nonsense in human mechanics

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    #176863
    Nike19Nike19
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    I think restrictions would be set in place i.e. no direct goal-hanging which would lead to an offside. I’d say for an attacking player to be no greater than the Penalty area to have that so-called advantage.

    They just for me need to go back to how it was before all this nonsense came in with lines and armpits. It’s ridiculous. If you think back over the course of 25 years with the application of this new rule, I don’t think half of those goals scored (just off the top of my head) would have counted.

    Just leave the linesman to do their job.

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    #176866
    PaganPagan
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    We talk about players goal hanging, but if there’s no offside law then the defending team won’t be trying to catch the opposition in an offside position and will always try to have players goal side…..Pagan

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    #176867
    Brian blue
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    Nil….I would agree with that, then what is needed is a higher quality of officials, this is needed with /without VAR. Our Ref standard in particular have not kept up with the progress of the game, I know it is not easy for them particularly with the rule changes constantly interfering but it should be better AND Stricter. Mistakes will always happen, no game will ever be from them happening at some point, i am just maleing the point that standards need lifting
    The important aspects to the game for me would be

    1. keep the game flowing
    2 Act swiftly on diving
    3.A foul committed on a player who has to leave the pitch for treatment or replacement then the team committing the fould should also be reduced until both teams are balanced. The foul benifits the person fouling too much in case of the team loosing a player because of it
    4 No extra time, the time is set from off pitch automatically and a hooter the second it reaches 90 minutes…thats it..over. No determination by on pitch official. No need for extra minutes

    What do you think guys???

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    #176868
    PaganPagan
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    Brian, not sure about 4, I think your proposal would be really open to abuse, one nil up with five to play, the stretcher would be on every game…..Pagan

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    #176869
    nine nine nine
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    You can tell it’s international break fellas.😊

    Brian,

    On your proposals:

    1) Keep the game flowing : Good objective imo.
    2) Act swiftly on diving : Ditto to the above.
    3) Interesting but it might lead to 8 per side games?
    4) Wouldn’t agree with that one it will encourage teams to waste time and fake injuries. We have to continue to play added time imo.

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    #176870
    Nike19Nike19
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    Just thinking about the response from Brian’s point 4 (which in principle I agree with).

    Liverpool I think were effectively notorious for closing out a game or wearing a game down before the back-pass rule had come out.

    I think there would be some sort of ‘gamesmanship’ and unfortunately players would be encouraged to time waste in one shape of form or another.

    With sounding as though I’m bleating about this, with VAR this season, Liverpool had 2 perfect goals ruled out and that’s 4 points dropped. Under the old rules, these goals ala Everton and versus Brighton would have stood.

    Offside has been taken to another level of the rule being very stringent. It’s not really for the benefit of attacking play in my eyes.

    In essence, we need to find some kind of a middle ground, but I’m unsure of the exact change/modification.

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    #176871
    nine nine nine
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    “In essence, we need to find some kind of a middle ground, but I’m unsure of the exact change/modification.”

    Spot on Nil. That’s why we can discuss rule changes but others are in charge of what they are and how to implement them.

    I think we can all point to decisions that may have gone against us especially VAR decisions and there are rule changes that are coming in next season including the accidental handball decision that cost Fulham a point v Spurs but overall there’s more right than wrong and we have to be careful we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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    #176873
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Brian/pagan, I once read about a proposal for games to be two halves of 30mins but clock stops when ball is out of play or ref blows whistle. The article said that as it is now with clock always running and a few mins injury time added, we are only actually seeing about 58 minutes of actual football each game.

    If we kept it at 90 mins but stopped clock every time play stopped players would actually be playing about 30 mins more footie per game than they are now and games would last at least 60 mins per half

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    #176879
    PaganPagan
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    Lucky, that ideas been doing the rounds for decades, the problem with it is that the game doesn’t have a finishing time and the match could last well over two hours, that makes it difficult for fans to get home by public transport especially for night matches. The same reason will now also be cited by broadcasters as this will affect their scheduling.

    We also have to make sure we have one game, the laws of the game should be the same from the park to the prem…….Pagan

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    #176907
    Brian blue
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    Well I can see the points raised to (4) but time wasting with fake injuries can easily be controlled by good firm refereeing, more training needed!!!! For me, any injury, get them off the field pronto, simulation equals time off field, sin bin. 5 minutes. Not really in favour of sin bins but they may come in eventually. If it means a stretcher coming on, OK, but get it done for all injuries, no messing about, get them off the pitch. as soon as possible, let the game carry on. How many times do we see fake injuries or a rest time to take pressure off? I suspect nothing will get done but it is interesting to read what you think about any changes.

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    #176909
    PaganPagan
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    Brian, I don’t think you can control faking injuries, the ref is never going to overrule medical experts, having a neutral doctor is an option, but not one that the clubs would support…..Pagan

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    #176910
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Fair points pagan

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    #176913
    Brian blue
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    Pagan…fair point but a way needs to be found to stop the fakes, you know the ones, rolling all over and minutes later sprinting down the field. I dislike these players and they do it too often. I do not want the game to be a non contact sport either but I hope somebody has an answer to what I see as spoils the game.

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    #176917
    PaganPagan
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    Brian, they could make the player stay off the pitch for the amount of time he spends rolling around, with an exception that if he’s subbed off then the sub can come straight on…..Pagan

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    #176929
    Brian blue
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    The thread has indicated that some change is necessary….as the fans see it. but like i said the “suits” will not do anything unless cash is involved

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