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  • #20480 Score: 0
    Chucky McChuckface
    Chucky McChuckface
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    In defense of my Spuds, the whole semi-final/home field thing was raised last summer at one of the meetings and by all accounts nobody had an issue then… bit late for anybody to sulk about it now… but as Wasplicker says, we’ll choke anyway… 🙂

    #20481 Score: 0
    newbalance
    newbalance
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    Chucky: mate, just because this time round, City were overwhelming in points total doesn’t necessarily mean, they’ll hit 80-90 points every season! 🙂

    Visited a couple of different message boards (not teamtalk) and it’s amazing what you read though in general, it is very much aligned.

    Sure, certain clubs as per norm are expected to strengthen, but there’s a lot of good feel at the moment and hope and aspiration for Liverpool to challenge for the League Title.

    We won’t have to wait forever for 18 to turn into 19!

    #20482 Score: 0
    maverick1973
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    Very much expect for the chickens/cocks of Norff Landan to stuff us next weekend in the cup.Happy to just get beaten 1-0 or 2-1 but as long as we dont get spanked.

    #20483 Score: 0
    Chucky McChuckface
    Chucky McChuckface
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    I admire you optimism Nilly-Willy, I really do, you put the fan into “obsessive-collusive-lunatic” for sure… 🙂

    While Pepe is around with his pretty much blank check-book, I wouldn’t recommend holding your breath.

    As much as you say City won’t get 80/90 points every season, you think Salah is still going to hit 30/35 goals every season?

    #20484 Score: 1
    Chelsea.man
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    Despite his barrage of controversies Mourinho is a winner of 3 PL titles no manager who is managing today has won more PL tiles than him. only Ferguson can better him in that sense. and the only other manager who can match him is Wenger who has 21 years service at Arsenal uninterrupted. give credit where its due. because some hate him cannot take way those success from him. but that said, i’m not defending the other stuff that Mourinho says sometimes. he needs to show respect to others and that is his biggest weakness.

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    #20485 Score: 0
    newbalance
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    C/Man, at one point mate, I had the utmost respect and liking for Jose, especially when he was at Inter Milan.

    I welcomed him at Real, but he was too much embroiled in skirmish with other professionals and as per norm in his tenure with clubs, he just goes into a tangent.

    As far as Manchester United go, from a neutral point of view, I’d be looking at the idea of a small Management team as in class of 92.

    The reality is that these fellas need to learn their trade and gain experience at first from a lower down club.

    I’m actually glad for instance, Gerrard has been linked to Ipswich Town, and rather than shoe-horning into a lazy punditry role, these guys would be better suited to take the route of Management which also breeds hope for our National Team.

    Cheers

    #20486 Score: 0
    newbalance
    newbalance
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    Chucky, probably not mate in reality.

    We’d like to see how the tail end of this season and CL pans out, but I’d personally be happy adding to kieta, maybe another central defender, and a big statement signing of either a striker or a attacking midfielder.

    I’d see as far as our transition goes since Klopp’s arrival, he’s probably now in ‘phase 3’ to make a decision on the ones loaned out this season.

    Cheers

    #20487 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    315 pts

    Class of 92?

    Great players but none of them will ever be good enough to successfully manage United and despite the warm feelings it might provide neither probably will Gerrard be good enough to successfully manage Liverpool.

    Very few great players make great Managers and very few go on to be successful Managers at the club they once played for.

    #20488 Score: 0
    Mick Far
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    The reality check on Mourinho is thus:
    Since Week 24 and the close of his forth transfer window £300 million Net spend and inheriting some good players (and acquiring a proven World class striker,) Utd have gained 18 pts and improved their GD by 4 goals. Burnley have 17 pts and GD 5 and Newcastle have 20 pts and GD 6. If Sean Dyche or Rafa Benitez had access to £300 mill Net in 2 seasons, you can’t convince me Utd wouldn’t be playing with more style, cohesion or success!
    The 2 trophies you parade as evidence of his tactical ability were the Europa by beating St Etienne, FC Rostov, Anderlecht, Celta Vigo and Ajax. How are any of these teams performing this season? Probably the weekest Europa competition in years.
    His run to win the EPL cup from the last 16 was West Ham, Hull and Southampton. How are those teams doing?? A competition most managers play 2nd team & youth players in…
    Hardley evidence of managerial genius even without having a massive expensive squad..
    His biggest crime at Chelsea and Man U is narcissism and need for immediate gratification. He refuses to patently bring through talent and sells promising players who need coaching. He buys expensive talent and loses patience immediately if they don’t perform. In doing so he has raised UTD’s wage structure to eye watering levels that attracts mercenaries, greed and lack of the right values in players and fans..
    Pochettino and Klopp have patiently built great first 11 teams and a depth of youth coming through on minimal Net spend and the supporters are loving it! Despite not having a Europa cup or EPL to parade…
    Klopp, Pochettino, Dyche and Benitez are far superior managers to Mourinho and none Utd fans watch with great amusement.
    Pep has a great idea of how his team play and win. But I want to see if he can do it away from the spending power of UTD,City,PSG,Chelsea, B Munich, Barcelona or Real M. I’m not convinced the above managers couldn’t win with those teams and that money..

    #20489 Score: 0
    Mick Far
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    As an aside. Since Klopp has introduced VVD and settled with Robertson at left back (£8 mill) Alex Arnold right back (youth squad) and Karius (£4.7 mill) and sold Coutinho for £142 mill, Liverpool have gained the same points as City with a GD of 22 vs City’s GD18. So when you talk of a 20 point gap between LFC and City, that was LFC with Mignolet, Moreno and Matip.
    Next season is going to be a lot more competitive now a lot of teams have the spending power that Chelsea had over everyone when Mourinho won/bought his titles at Chelsea…
    As has been demonstrated from Blackburn onwards, if you have the spending power, you can buy a top class squad of 22 players and vastly increase your probability of winning the league.. The top Cup competitions, test managerial nouse..

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    nine nine nine
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    315 pts

    Mourinho is far from perfect both personally and professionally and I understand why he draws the emotive views he does from fans especially opposition fans.

    But apart from the fact that 3 of the 4 Managers cited above as being better than Mourinho have never won a major title whilst managing in the PL and the combined trophies and achievements of all of Klopp, Pochettino, Dyche and Benitez who are all suggested as far superior managers to Mourinho don’t add up to the trophies and achievements of Mourinho across 4 different Leagues with perhaps his greatest achievement being beating the Barca team that was rated at the time as the best club side the world had ever seen to the La Liga title.

    Yes Mourinho can be a prize plum at times and yes his mentality of being a winner often offends some of his players and fans but the majority who have played for Mourinho have won titles under him and been managed by him for any length of time will tell you that he’s the best Manager they have ever played for and they probably know him better than any of those whose only experience of him is from what they have seen of him on TV.

    Would I have Mourinho back at Chelsea? No not for a third time but I will always be grateful to Mourinho for the trophies won and foundations he laid at Chelsea .

    Would I rule out Mourinho winning another PL title at United? No but it won’t be easy given how good this City side are and who they are planning to sign in the Summer.

    #20491 Score: 0
    maverick1973
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    I welcomed him at Real, but he was too much embroiled in skirmish with other professionals and as per norm in his tenure with clubs, he just goes into a tangent.You are a Liverpool fan Nil,lol.

    #20493 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    315 pts

    Mick Far, if it was as easy as just throwing money at it City and United would have both been sharing PL titles over the last two seasons. And isn’t Liverpool’s excellent run of form since January partly down to the record transfer fee of £75m for a defender that they invested in VVD in the January window?

    #20495 Score: 0
    Mick Far
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    I’m primarily a lover of this beautiful game. If you read the points made above then will then as evidence of Mourinho’s managerial acumen, does he leave clubs with a solid platform for future success and a healthy youth structure feeding the first team? Financially, stable clubs with sensible wage structures who if Arab/Russian Oligarchs get bored and sell, can continue equally successfully? Or does he blow crazy money in a couple of seasons and turn players and hierarchy against him and display the traits we tech our children not to..
    History is full of Busby, Shankly, Paisley, Raniere, Conte, Guardiola etc etc who don’t behave appallingly and were/are winners.
    There’s a reason patience is thin with Mourinho and the parting from Utd will be eye watering and probably his last top top team…

    #20496 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    315 pts

    Mick, by the way Chelsea had a net spend of £4.1m when they won the PL title in 2014/15 and a spend of plus £17.8m when they won the title in 2016/17.

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