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    Mikus
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    Ed, yes it’s true Ronaldo was obviously still improving but if you look at his immediate stats before and after joining Madrid I think you can still make a reasonable comparison. He was a big big player in both those teams.

    As for the CL games with Messi scoring against English teams, we are talking about a cup here which is a different mentality to a league game and generally both teams have to go for it more so the games I think will be that bit more open.

    I admit trying to make a fair comparison in these things is difficult, I’m sure we’ll generally agree with that. But I’d argue the Ronaldo comparison is probably the best we’re going to get and we do see an improvement and a very quick one at that.

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    #55313 Score: 0
    steveosnakeeyesteveosnakeeye
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    not a fair comparison at all when you talk about one of the BEST PLAYERS EVER to grace the game, at every level including international….talk about apples and oranges!

    #55316 Score: 0
    Mikus
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    Steveo, Ronaldo arguably had it more difficult in his early days at Madrid where the team was not yet built for him and he had to establish himself amongst all the other egos, yet he improved his scoring stats immediately.

    #55318 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    “That’s how people see it absolutely no problem I see it slightly different…I said phew Lionel Messi I’ve probably said five hundred thousand times in my life already yeah is probably the best player I saw in my lifetime that’s how it is” But last season I can not remember a more impressive season for a defender ever honestly but it would have been right as well if Virg had won it.” Jurgen Klopp

    #55319 Score: 0
    Mikus
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    Nine, just to be clear, I’m not bitter about it. Messi is obviously still a phenomenal player. But I just think in such situations people tend to conform with conventional wisdom and don’t always look at the bigger picture.

    #55322 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    Mikus, I think Klopp summed it up perfectly.

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    MakaveliMakaveli
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    “The “Messi couldn’t do that in the PL” argument is the laziest of lazy arguments. I posted earlier on this thread and here it is again. He has 24 goals in 30 games against the absolute best sides our league has to offer.”

    Really? From what I can see so far (up to 2016 so far) Messi has never scored against Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, ever, on English soil. Not ever. Not one time!

    I see 3 goals. 2 against Arsenal and 1 against City in 2014. Now, maybe his record drastically increased after 2016 ? Now, that seems to very strongly back up my lazy opinion that he’d struggle in England… well because even with his own personal entourage of a team, he actually has been all these years.

    #55326 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    I tell a lie, Messi scored against Utd on neutral ground in Wembly. So 4 goals in 11 games.

    not exactly the stellar image you painted.

    #55327 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    Did you read what Klopp said Mak. It’s a beauty contest based on the criteria and the voting system Messi was judged to be better looking than Van Dijk by all the Coaches players and journalists who voted. Time to move on.

    #55328 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    I see. Someone says my opinion is the height of laziness, I come back with something and it’s time to move on then. yer right there.

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    nine nine nine
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    Mak, as I said in my previous post Virgil Van Dyke has done more than anyone imo to turn Liverpool from top 4 challengers to CL winners and PL title contenders and he’s undoubtedly currently the world’s best Centre Back and he would have made a worthy winner of the Balon D’Or because of that imo.

    #55331 Score: 1
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Ed @ 1:41, yeah me too. When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, there was certain players I took more notice of than others like Zico, Maradona, Romario, et al, but also, credit where credits due too to the Cantona’s and the Giggsys.

    Messi probably will be a one off for everything that he’s achieved and given to the game.

    Cheers

    #55332 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    Nine, I was referring to Ed labeling my opinion the laziest of lazy opinions, or words to that effect, not anything you said.

    #55335 Score: 0
    MakaveliMakaveli
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    “Messi probably will be a one off for everything that he’s achieved and given to the game.”

    He won’t be a one off but ya, he’s a truly SPECIAL player, maybe the best ever attacker, of all time. That shouldn’t qualify you for an annual award though, which in my opinion has been the case here. We could agree to disagree, or we could start throwing stones. either way I’ve had enough of this now.

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    nine nine nine
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    Just to keep things accurate here’s Messi’s record v PL Clubs

    Messi v the Premiership
    Arsenal: 6 games – 9 goals
    Manchester City: 6 games – 6 goals
    Chelsea: 10 games – 3 goals
    Manchester United: 4 games – 2 goals
    Tottenham: 1 game – 2 goals
    Liverpool: 2 games – 0 goals

    #55339 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Mak, I just wished he delivered more at International level given my soft-spot for Argentina lol 😀

    #55341 Score: 1
    nine nine nine
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    70 goals in 138 games Nil for Argentina.

    newbalance
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    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    😂 😂 😂 😂 Go ed lad

    Slået op af Merseyside red vs Merseyside blue banter page i Onsdag den 8. maj 2019

    #55343 Score: 2
    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    That showed him!!

    threepsMakaveli
    #55344 Score: 2
    threepsthreeps
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    Is that Mak? 😀

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