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I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing Sean as you’re talking about how much clubs have spent. That has nothing to do with where that at quality wise. This has to be the worst any of the top sides have been for a long time, Liverpool aside. That they’ve spent money is beside the point. It just means they’ve spent badly. A side like Forest gets nowhere near the top 4 in the last 20 or so seasons. It’s not Liverpool’s fault l. They’ve been the only consistent side. Just as Leicester were the only consistent side when they won it. It wasn’t their fault either that so many sides were off it at once. Put it this way, does anyone think the usual top sides will all be THIS bad next season? I’m not sure many would say yes.

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How on earth are this Arsenal team the second best team the league has to offer? This has to be the worst season quality wise in the PL for as long as I can remember. Very reminiscent of the Leicester winning season when every one of the usual challengers had an off season at the same time. I saw something the other day about the quality of the league where someone asked if any of the top teams would beat their team from 5 or even 10 years ago. I’m honestly not sure any of them would.

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The minute Ange came out with his arsey and cocky response to a reporter with his “I always win things in my second season mate” his fate was sealed for me. You might get away with that in Australia, mate, but if you’re that cocky in the PL, you’d better back it up. Another manager who believed his own hype from having achieved something in much inferior leagues.

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Have to say I’m far from convinced that Mathys Tel is the answer either.

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The hunt for those 40 points continues. Shite

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Genuinely wish Rashford all the best at Villa. Gutted it didn’t work out for him at Utd for longer than it did. He became far too comfortable at the club and laziness started creeping into his game over the years. I’m convinced that a change of environment will show us the player he can be. Right decision by the club but also the right thing for him as a player imo.

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I reckon you’ll have a blip Sean but there’s just nobody good enough to take advantage. Are we really relying on Nottingham Forest if we’re to be hopeful of a title race this season?! Arsenal are nowhere near where they ought to be considering their previous trajectory under Arteta.

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Expecting a bus to be well and truly parked by Jose Arteta at the Emirates. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a City win, all but ending any chance of a title race this season.

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I’m sure most of us would be saying the same as Harry if our team got that pen but you’re gutted if one of those goes against you. Definitely looking like Liverpool’s season this one where the stars are all aligning. Crazy to be not a single challenge coming from anyone for that title. So many teams off it all at once. Not Liverpool’s problem though. All they can do is worry about themselves. Very hard to see them falling away from here. Mostly because there’s nobody good enough this season to capitalise if they fall away briefly.

Spurs could start to be in trouble if they lose today. As for my lot, never know what to expect any longer. Some signs of a recovery the last few games but still far too unbalanced a squad. Would take one of those Gakpo pens and 3 points all day long 😅

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I can only assume there’s an angle of it that the ref must have seen Sean. If VAR have seen that same angle and not overturned it, it’s a travesty. What’s the point if VAR if it can’t spot a mistake that obvious (assuming it was indeed a wrong call)

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Surely this has to just be a really bad angle and there’s an angle where this looks like a pen?? Otherwise, that’s a joke of a penalty decision for Liverpool

https://x.com/rory_talks_ball/status/1885713227968889245?s=46

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My point with ETH Sean is that he was a disaster in terms of talent identification and signing players but I don’t believe he should have even been doing that. He came from a very structured setup at Ajax with a proper structure. The people above him were crap so any input they had wasn’t worthwhile anyway. We brought in a head coach and told him to be a manager. I’m not saying ETH wasn’t a problem but I don’t think he’s allowed to buy those players if he goes into a well run club. Just as Klopp didn’t get his way with signings, Ten Hag wouldn’t have got those players had he gone to somewhere like Liverpool. So I don’t disagree that his signings were a disaster. I just don’t think he ever should have been given that power.

I know I’m in the minority but I still think Zirkzee might come good even though he’s not very prolific. There’s very little to be optimistic about as a Utd fan at the moment let’s be honest. But that’s the life of a football fan.

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Sean, ETH spent awfully but that’s not all on him IMO. You look at the best managers in recent years and they don’t solely manage incomings. Look at Klopp. He wouldn’t have had Salah if it was up to him. He didn’t want Salah and where would Liverpool be without Salah? There were good enough people at Liverpool to tell Klopp to do one about that Fakir guy or Werner. Who at Utd was there to tell ETH to get lost about paying that much for Antony and the like? Absolutely nobody. ETH did himself no favours in the end but I think it’s harsh judging him for the incomings when he’s never had that much power in previous jobs. Managers these days don’t have the kind of power he had at Utd. All because they live in this dream world where they want to find the next all powerful Ferguson type of manager. Hence the shift from Manager to Head Coach in the naming of the role.

Ratcliffe has had a very iffy start but by all accounts he’s been doing much of the necessary cost cutting that the Glazers felt too afraid to do and it will be continuing for a long time it seems.

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Iraola has to be the next one to be given the chance of a big job. You’d expect either Spurs or Utd to want him if/when either moves on from the current manager at the end of the season, if not sooner.

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It’s a dangerous game of stick or twist now with Amorim. Do you stick and let him reshape the squad in his image, which is going to need a lot of money as it’s such an unbalanced squad now? Or do you twist and start again with someone new? The risk of sticking with Amorim and reshaping the squad to suit him is his very specific way of playing which requires players who probably aren’t suited to what most modern managers play.

The thing is, we don’t have any money to spend so we’re going to need to sell to buy, hence not ruling out selling academy players like Mainoo and Garnacho. So we’ll probably end up selling our few high value assets and bring in very specific players to plat this Amorim style which could prove disastrous if it all goes wrong, as is usually the case.

For me, as long as we don’t start nearing the bottom 3, he gets a free pass until the end of the season. Give him a LWB. Someone like the guy we’re chasing at Lecce (Dorgu). If we see some signs of progress, he has to be backed in the summer. It’s a gamble but I have no idea who else we could bring in. There’s no manager available who I’d fancy to get much out of this squad.

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Yeah not far to that magic 40 point mark CM. Every game a cup final from now on. Absolute bore of a game and lucky to get the 3 points.

Could Spurs go down? What do we reckon?

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No idea what we’d do without Amad. He’s been so good since Amorim came in and begs the question about what the hell Ten Hag was doing not playing him

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Ffs we’re going down 😅. Absolutely shite. Wish we could play Liverpool and Arsenal every week instead of these Southampton, Newcastle type of teams

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Chucky, how highly do you prioritise the excitement and unpredictability a manager like Ange brings? I mean, would you rather have a Conte who is more likely to win something long term or a manager like Ange who is more likely to entertain?

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Yeah fair points Mikus. Re Ange, I just think he’s not a very good manager in all honesty. I think he’s way out of his depth in the PL. The level he’s won trophies at is just not in any way comparable to the pressure cooker environment that is the PL.

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