Weekend Football – Gameweek 6

[Brian blue]

Ed..he inherited a poor lot and still has most. Arteta is a rookie Manager, no doubt about that but he has the potential and for those who put a lot of stock in the fact he worked under Pep, that will have done him no harm but do not forget he worked and played under Wenger as well, so, in my opinion, give the guy time and he will be OK, but I think not at Arsenal, he needs to manage in Europe for a spell where they have organised management, Germany, Holland Portugal, get the tactical game sorted with players that understand the game, then come back to the EPL. The EPL is a graveyard for Managers as we all know

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[Brian blue]

The bottom line to the post just submitted is I do not think Arsenal will give him the time or backing to do what is needed

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[Editor]

Brian, interesting post, as always. You say he has potential. Does he? Based on what? He might be an absolute genius and go on to become the best manager the game has ever seen. But then so could absolutely anyone. My point is that I don’t understand what he’s done in the game to deserve a job that big. Same goes for my own team’s manager by the way, albeit he’s at least managed a bit previously. Mostly not very successfully though.

Carlos Querioz, Steve McLaren, Mike Phelan. All were expected to do well because they’d been side by side with Ferguson and got jobs on the back of being his assistant. All fell flat on their face. My point isn’t that he’s rubbish. He may be great but it’s just such a huge gamble to give someone a chance purely on the back of having worked under a good manager.

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[maverick1973]

That chap from RBL should replace Ole,imho.

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[Mikus LFC]

I think Arteta is probably an intelligent reader of the game, hence he suited to being a good no.2 at City. But to be a manager, particularly at a big club looking to move up the league, you have to have charisma, personality and authority to lead and galvanize your team together and give them the belief you know what you’re doing and are thus worthy of following, particularly when you have increasingly powerful players in the dressing room. Initially I thought Arteta was showing some of those qualities, albeit in a somewhat more modest way. But that in itself may indicate what the main problem is – he isn’t brave enough or flamboyant enough to coach and play more expansively because he fears he won’t get the results. So he’s clinging to a more cautious and safe approach.

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[Mikus LFC]

And just to add, although there’s only been 6 games, Mourinho’s record so far is W3, D2, L1. Arteta’s is W3 L3. So the more Mourinho approach by Arteta – ie difficult to beat, if that’s what he is tending towards, isn’t really working. I looked at this earlier today and just knew that Spurs wouldn’t lose tonight because of these stats and Mourinho does tend to be harder to beat.

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[Brian blue]

Guys,,,you are judging too soon. There are plenty of top managers around where at some stage a club took a risk. Does not always work out, as you elude to but lets give the guy a chance at least. This is a problem with football to day, just no patience, In Artetas case though I stick by my previous comment, he left City too soon to go into a team not performing, nothing has changed so far, he needs support and obviously not getting it

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[Editor]

Just to be clear, I’m not judging Arteta, as such. I’m judging the decision to give him the job based on a theory that has no logic, namely the one that suggests that a manager is going to be good if he’s worked under a good manager. It’s right up there with “he was a great player so let’s give him the job”.

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[Editor]

Good point though Brian, that he possibly didn’t give himself the best chance to succeed by taking the Arsenal job at that particular time.

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[nine nine nine]

Interesting to hear Jamie Carragher say that if Liverpool don’t win the League he would like Spurs to, to stick it to all Mourinho’s critics who suggested he was past his sell by date.

Big ask but with a topsy turvy League and with Liverpool and City’s injury problems you wouldn’t completely write it off.

Spurs would have been top of the League today had Lanzini not dug out that worldie in the last minute of added time the other day as it is they are only 2 points off top spot.

Mourinho has made some good signings in the Summer and Spurs are looking a very decent team so far and Bale is yet to get 100% fit and start regularly.

Spurs are definitely looking a good bet for a top 4 place at least and not too many would have said that before the season started me included.

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[Mikus LFC]

Mourinho is still a winner because of the mentality he instils. And in a climate where players are struggling psychologically to maintain focus with no fans, that will be significant. People who write him off just don’t like him.

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[Editor]

If Mourinho did pull off either a PL or CL with Spurs, any doubt as to whether he is the best manager of a generation would surely be removed. He’ll have succeeded yet again in winning big trophies with unfancied sides. Huge ask though.

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[Mikus LFC]

Ed, Spurs now third favourites at 7/1. Probably worth a punt.

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[sean the sailor]

It’s be Jose’s biggest achievement without a doubt

I’ve questioned jose bigtine mikius. Not because I dislike him. I actually like him now as he isn’t moaning as much

My reasons were his tactics againest the big sides which worked years ago are not working now. A back 6 with wide players playing pushing back to become full backs and full backs pushing in to form 6 at the back . Will he turn on his players if things start to go wrong?

Conceding possession and Waiting for the opposition to make a mistake. Who have spurs actually played this season ? Everton abd they beat them . Utd with ten men?

Let’s not go overboard after 6 games. Two weeks ago people were saying aresnal for top 4 etc

• This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by sean the sailor.

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[Mikus LFC]

Yet Jose was still one of the most successful managers at Utd in recent seasons even when he clearly wasn’t very happy there getting them to 2nd and winning both a domestic and European trophy. I don’t think philosophy plays the most important role to win things. Psychology plays such a huge part and so mentality is the key aspect of winning things for me. Liverpool had to tack more towards the Mourinho way last season of eeking out lots of low scoring narrow victories to win things again.

As for only 6 games gone, thats true but then with the way this season is going, every game no matter who the opposition, is proving a big challenge to all clubs. I think a lot of teams, big ones included, will blow hot and cold this season. And so if Jose can consistently keep grinding out results at Spurs that will prove a big advantage this season.

• This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Mikus LFC.

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[nine nine nine]

I think that Liverpool and City remain the favourites for the title but things are very uncertain this season City continue to be hit by injuries and Liverpool will be without Van Dijk for the rest of the season which is a massive loss to them.

Maybe Fabinho can cover that loss successfully or maybe Liverpool will sign a suitable replacement for Van Dijk in January nobody knows how all these things might play out and how the injuries may or may not effect both Liverpool and City.

But already the results suggest that this might be a strange season.

If all these things come together there is a chance that one of the outsiders could come through and win the League a bit like Leicester did when the top Clubs under performed for various reasons in that season not so long ago.

Spurs look like being one of the best outsiders to possibly take advantage of any slips from Liverpool and City but as Sean rightly says it’s still only 6 games.

Personally I’ve never believed Mourinho was a spent force my only question was whether Levy would back him sufficiently in the transfer market to help him turn Spurs into a potential contender and to an extent Levy has done that.

I tell you what though if Spurs ever win the title under Mourinho then watch out!😊

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[sean the sailor]

I’ve no doubt tvis will be a strange season nine mate. Already is 😂 and I think it’s all going to very tight in the top 6.

Levy has fully supported jose. Let’s see how it all plays out

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[sean the sailor]

Mikius, I agree that all clubs will blow hot and cold mate. There won’t be ridiculous point tallies this season

Jose left utd in bits. He fell out with everyone. He left Chelsea very bitterly aswell. All he did was moan. Nothing is ever his fault

Let’s see were spurs are in a few months and If we can talk of them
Being genuine challengers

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[Shiney]

I honestly believe the best Spurs can get is a CL place , and to get that would mean 3/4 other teams having a poor season . If Jose can stay happy who knows stranger things have happened.

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[maverick1973]

Joke of the century has got to be that pen at the game in Nou Camp for Real.

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