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  • #4573
    nine nine nine
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    nb, very unlikely however a number of Liverpool’s purchases have been loaned out inc Sakho? now sold, Markovic and this season Origi .

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    #4574
    nine nine nine
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    banjo, the majority of the loan players are youngsters either developed through the Academy or bought in as a young potential prospect yes it generates revenue but it also develops young players who are very well managed by the club, it helps the players the majority of which go on to have very decent careers all of them have been very well educated and developed in the game Ake is a great example of this and the club’s that they are loaned to benefit as well.

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    #4577
    maverick1973
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    Who on God`s name loans out a player worth £180m?!

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    #4578
    Chucky McChuckface
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    9,nine,nein….. you still don’t get it, do you? 🙂

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    #4579
    Nike19
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    My previous comment was just a bit of a laugh, but it then got me to nose quickly into Wikipedia and was quite alarmed to see that there’s 31 players of current that have been loaned out by Chelsea. 17 of which were English players.

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    #4582
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Nil…. just found the longest serving Chelsea player, a goalkeeper called Matej Delac, who signed his first contract at Chelski in 2009 and has played precisely 0 games at any level in a Chelski shirt… which is exactly the same number of games I’ve played for Chelski during that time… to use 9,nine,nien’s comment, I guess that must be a real good “revenue-generator”….. LOL!

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    #4584
    Nike19
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    I did see by random from a little research on one particular player by the name of Jeremie Boga who was signed by Chelsea as a youth in 2009. This lasted till 2015, and after making 1 senior appearance, he has since been on a journey of being loaned from Rennes B, to Granada to now Birmingham City.

    I’m actually glad to see something finally conclusive out of Sakho and recently Andre Wisdom.

    The point I was trying to allude to on this thread earlier is that why hold onto somebody who in reality is unlikely to have a future? I answered my own question here that from a business sense of generating revenue, that would provide the explanation, but as far as aspiring to build some sort of a playing career as a up and coming young player one in my belief to really explore all his options before jumping at the first sign of so-called promise land.

    I don’t want to just single out Chelsea here. It seems we’re in an industry now where a youngster from abroad could be headhunted or is recommended only for then to be proposed with a package of accommodation, including looking after immediate family by accommodating them to, sought of passport citizenship etc, so by that, it would be hard for anybody to turn down.

    And their own playing shelf-life at a level could be 5 or maybe more senior years before they are drifted away into the sunset and never to be seen again. Still a lot of money can be made in such a short space of time.

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    #4585
    Nike19
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    Now now Chucky, behave my good neighbour 😉 🙂

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    #4586
    nine nine nine
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    nb, so what! track back and check the players that have been loaned out by Chelsea a number have gone on to become stars the majority have gone on to have very good careers.

    You talk about Boga he joined the club when he was 10 is 20 now and has been close to breaking into the squad a year on loan playing regularly in the Championship will do him the world of good under Harry just as it did Tammy Abraham at 19 who was the second top scorer in the Championship scoring 23 goals at Bristol City and is now on loan at Swansea scoring his first PL goal last week v Palace.

    There are three elements to a loan player, the player, the club and the club he is loaned to in the majority of all Chelsea loans all three benefit and there is a whole department at Chelsea including Scouts and Coaches that manage the players out on loan who are watched in every game they play for the loan club and the whole set up is incredibly professional.

    banjo, as per usual you’re on your usual Chelsea hobby horse just to remind you the theme of this thread is PSG and FFP!

    Cheerio folks.

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    #4595
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Yes and no cyber chum, the discussion is about clubs that a basically taking the piss out of the rules, with both PSG and Chelski being used as examples. I’m sure my club do it too, as I’m sure every club. I reckon it’s more of a moan about the sad state of affairs when it’s win at all costs…

    To go back to Chelsea for a moment, I don’t remember them loaning out 4 teams worth of players before the FFP rules came into effect, so the loan system is now being used as a “revenue-generator”, which was not how the loan system came into being, therefore the system is being abused rather than broken. Perhaps, unlike the PSG “abuse”, as Chelski are the only one’s abusing a system (to that level), and it will take a lot of hard work for other teams to follow and set themselves up like Chelski, is why it’s not being “investigated”.

    That differs from the PSG abuse, which could be followed instantly by any team with a big enough check book, therefore UEFA have to at least pretend to do something to stop City, and even Chelsea (who have a history in this! 🙂 ) from just spunking half a billion pounds every summer.

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    #4601
    nine nine nine
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    Anyone read anywhere what UEFA’s timetable on the PSG investigation might be?

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    #4636
    Chucky McChuckface
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    About as long as it takes for UEFA to work out how much beer & doughnut money they need for the next 7 years and send the invoice fine. 🙂

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    #4653
    whoisbeni
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    several clubs have gotten away with FFP murder and there will always be those who are a step or two ahead of FFP – I think its bollocks and UEFA need to re-examine how they try and do this as its just a distraction and lacks logic – it also keeps the smaller clubs down.

    – stockpiling 300 players to stick them out on loan and sell them after FFP applies
    – getting sponsorships above market levels from their owners companies or crony companies to falsify revenue
    – buying players and loaning them back to defer payments

    all of these tactics harm the game or the players etc – so FFP doesn’t seem to work. Time for a rethink.

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    #4661
    nine nine nine
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    LaLiga an association of the top club’s in Spain has called upon UEFA to investigate PSG and Man City in relation to FFP.

    Their concerns relate to state supported football clubs.

    UEFA had already planned an investigation into PSG prior to LaLiga’s petitioning but is seemingly planning no investigation into Manchester City.

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