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    MightyMoosMightyMoos
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    #169716
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    😁 Don’t get him started Sean!

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    #169719
    AdlabAdlab
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    Sean. The three were rejected by City as too expensive. Utd signed them to put one over on City.
    Worked well didnt it!

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    #169720
    PaganPagan
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    It would be interesting if this type of forum was available 30 years ago and you could go back and look at the comments about the then Man United manager….Pagan

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    #169721
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    You do make me smile Adlab, the things you come out with 😁

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    #169722
    nine nine nine
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    Pagan, I think it’s pretty well documented that United and SAF were in a really bad place in 1989 and under immense pressure from the fans and media alike even without social media.

    “In September 1989, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivals Manchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring, “Three years of excuses and it’s still crap … ta-ra Fergie.” was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked. Ferguson later described December 1989 as “the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game”, as United ended the decade just outside the relegation zone.”

    Then he won the FA Cup and the rest is history!

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    #169725
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    Just for you Adlab

    Fred

    “There were options in England and in Europe,” Fred told ESPN.

    “Manchester City, PSG, but I chose United. I spoke to my agent Gilberto Silva, who played for Arsenal. He told me that United was a huge club. I spoke to my family and friends.

    Maguire

    Harry Maguire turned down Β£278,000-a-week Man City offer to join Man Utd instead

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1166290/Harry-Maguire-Manchester-United-transfer-news-Man-City-Premier-League

    The former Foxes defender is said to have held extensive talks with Etihad chiefs over a potential move to the blue side of Manchester.

    But the report goes on to suggest Maguire was never truly invested in moving to City.

    That’s because Maguire always had his heart set on joining United and when it came down to it, there was only one team he wanted to join.

    Once the transfer was confirmed, Maguire’s mum made it clear why it was such an easy choice to move to Old Trafford.

    Posting on Twitter, Zoe Maguire wrote: β€œWhen your son dreams of playing for Man Utd as a little boy and you wake up one morning and it’s happening #dreamscancometrue so proud of u”

    Alongside the emotional post was a picture of a young Maguire as well as a current photo of the centre-back in the United kit.

    Keep believing that City rejected them though! That they were all a waste of money is beside the point πŸ˜‰ Fred, in fairness, has his good days.

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    #169726
    PaganPagan
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    9, and that was a manager who went there as a winner, just shows how a bit of patience can pay dividends……Pagan

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    #169727
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    The huge difference with Ferguson, though, is that he got the Utd job having earned it through impressing at Aberdeen. Solskjaer has been in management for about 12 years and done absolutely nothing of note in the game apart from relegate Cardiff.

    It’s just not as simple as saying “look what happened when Ferguson was given time” because he’s such an exception to the rule.

    If Utd had beenmore patient with Atkinson, Ferguson would have never got the job. If Liverpool had been more patient with Rodgers, Klopp would never have got the Liverpool job. If Chelsea were more patient with Ranieri, Mourinho would have never got the Chelsea job. Where do you draw the line? Give all managers 10 years regardless of how they perform? 5 years? With the money at stake in the game today, that’s just never going to happen. You earn time on the job. It’s not a right.

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    #169728
    PaganPagan
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    And there’s the conundrum, Chelsea have been held to task for constantly changing their manager, but it’s now become the norm, there’s a lot of call for patience and stability, but not a lot of it…..Pagan

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    #169729
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    All during a period in which they were winning more trophies than any other club in the country. I’d sooner take a bit of stick for my club being a bit too demanding/ruthless (Chelsea prime example) than not being demanding enough (Arsenal under Wenger prime example).

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    #169730
    Brian blue
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    Ed…the simple fact is that City tabled an offer for Maguire, Leicester rejected. Maguire would prefer Utd, no argument there but if City had made a larger offer, Utd would have had to at least match it but City withdrew when Leicester played the bidding game knowing they had two wealthy clubs on the hook.I think we came out winners, if you think different, that is OK

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    #169732
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    Brian, it was in reply to Adlab’s failed attempt at suggesting Utd only bought those players to get one over City which is just not accurate, nor is the fact that City rejected any of them.

    I said very clearly at the end that not one of them was worth it anyway, but that’s not the point Adlab was making.

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    #169733
    Brian blue
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    Ed,,fair enough but my point re Maguire was, that Leicester rejected Citys bid, expecting them to go higher because of our difficulties at CB at that time, City withdrew. I suggest had City gone higher and Utd did not match it Maguire would have gone to City. However, somebody at City did not do there homework well enough on the player

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    #169734
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    Yeah I think you’re probably right there Brian

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    #169735
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    The 3 of them chose United but won/will probably win fook all,whereas with City would have won things.

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    #169736
    Mikus
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    I think a problem for Solksjaer is that he perhaps lacks the self confidence you need to be an authority in the dressing room. You can be a good reader of the game & be very knowledgeable, but if you lack a conviction, you won’t get far. It’s the same in politics. People want a simple message they can get behind. If you look at all the top managers, they are very self confident – they know what they want, and that makes conveying the message across to the players a seamless and easy process. A problem for such top managers is that it can make them a bit blind sided to other areas of the game, but they get away with it because when players buy into a system and identity – that is the most important thing which forms the cohesive team spirit that naturally takes care of all other areas. And I think looking at Pep – though he knows what he wants – he does try to iron out the other areas of concern not by trusting the team, but overthinking strategy and being too clever. It’s why he hasn’t won the CL in my opinion since Barca. But the best managers keep it simple in that sense and have faith in the team to take care of itself.

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    #169737
    BlazeBlaze
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    Solksjaer is definitely not the type to be the head coach or manager of any top club, his more of an assistant coach, he even looks like an assistant or gives that impression.

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    #169738
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    I agree Blaze. He’s a bit too nice to be the top dog at a big club. In an ideal world, I’d love to see him stay in some capacity. His passion for the club is second to none and I think he has some good ideas regarding the long term vision for the club. I just think he lacks on the tactical side, aside from not being tough enough. I realise, in reality, that won’t happen but I do like Ole so wish him well when the inevitable does happen.

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    #169739
    AdlabAdlab
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    We are all behind Ole. Give him a chance.
    Is Pochettino any more of an answer than Giggs, Moyes, LVG or Mourinho? Or is the problem something different?
    Who knows but they need a complete shake up and stop believing in a devine right to success.
    Do they have the money, the ownership? I trust they have a bit more myopia and blame Ole for all the decade of problems. Would Pep succeed there with that ownership and structure? I wonder.

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