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  • #185061
    FoxyFoxes
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    What happened to Manure? Didn’t watch it. Did Ole have another European brain-fade?

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    #185062
    gjblues
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    Foxy, the Glazers can throw all the (borrowed) cash they want at their ‘project’ but until they employ a decent manager, United will not win one of the bigger comps. Ole is way out of his depth.

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    #185064
    FoxyFoxes
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    Yeah, I agree with you completely. The whole argument I keep hearing of how he got them second place I think is weak. Firstly, he’s had the second best squad in the league for a few years now. He’s also been incredibly lucky with injuries to key players (or lack of). Thirdly, last season was a freak of a season, sure everyone was in the same boat but a few what ifs with the other clubs (Liverpool losing so many players, Chelsea bringing in Tuchel earlier and even us not losing so many key players) and I don’t think he would have got a Champs League spot. I know, a lot of what ifs. My point is, he’s been very lucky. His man-crush on Fred is absolutely baffling and his decision making with subs and tactics at times are incredibly naive. When commentators are predicting in games what is going to happen if Ole doesn’t change things and then it happens because Ole didn’t change things you know he doesn’t have a clue.

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    #185068
    Pagan
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    RatyRatae, whilst you make good points about Ole, at least Man United are backing a new kid on the block rather than just getting who’s available on the managerial merry go round.

    As Napoleon (not you Lucky) said “ I’d rather have a general that’s lucky (not you again Lucky) than a good one”

    …………..Pagan

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    #185069
    FoxyFoxes
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    Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I admire that but we have pretty much learned over the last 18 months that bringing in unproven and completely inexperienced managers into huge clubs doesn’t work (Frank, Arteta and IMO Ole). Pep is a complete and utter freak of nature and those that keep referring to him as a success story are pointing to the 1 percenters.

    It appears that Ole is the benefactor of good will. If Jose, Klopp or Pep had the squad Ole has now and for the last year or so, people would be far less forgiving and asking for their heads

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    • This reply was modified 5 days, 5 hours ago by FoxyFoxes.
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    #185073
    Pagan
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    RatyRatae, yes Pep is probably an exception, but he was in the right place and the right time with Barca, Ole, Frank and Arteta all took over clubs who to a certain extent weren’t in the best shape. Ole’s done ok so far, but obviously he needs to kick on now and be consistently in the hunt for the big trophies…….Pagan

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    #185075
    Chucky McChuckface
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    As far as I’m concerned, there’s basically two different types of managers, those that are skilled in the “Championship Manager” sytle of management (i.e. “Oh, my LB is rubbish, let’s buy one!”) and those that are skilled in the “Old Skool” style of management (i.e. “Oh, my LB is rubbish, need to work with him in the training field!”).

    Very rarely do you get a manager who’s skilled at both.

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    #185077
    nine nine nine
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    The United result turned on the sending off and playing with 10 men away for almost an hour and the Lingard mistake neither of which to be fair Solskjaer had much control over.

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    #185079
    Mikus
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    Problem is, after bringing in such talent all over the pitch now, Solksjaer could start to become Man Utd’s limiting factor. And stats like these don’t help.

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    #185080
    nine nine nine
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    Losing 7 out of 11 CL ties is the most telling stat but I suspect United will still qualify comfortably for the Round of 16 this season despite last night’s defeat. If they don’t then Ole may well be under the cosh.

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    #185081
    Mak
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    Nine, he was responsible for taking off Ronaldo and Fenandes though, bringing on Matic and Lingard.

    I think Ronaldo leaves that pitch asking if he made a mistake. He already had to be talked into giving Ole a chance. Whilst the red card can force you into making an uncomfortable sub , you don’t take your 2 biggest threats off.

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    #185084
    nine nine nine
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    I think both decisions were correct Mak United were looking to hang on for a draw which in the circumstances would have been a good result had Lingard not made the mistake he did United would have come away with a draw.

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    #185086
    nine nine nine
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    “As a manager I understand what he is probably thinking at that time, 1-1, away in Europe, always difficult no matter where you go, in Europe it’s always difficult to go away, on an artificial pitch, we’re down to 10 men, we’ll take a point.”

    “And that’s what he was thinking. He wasn’t thinking about bringing players on or keeping players on to score goals, it was about seeing the game out. And listen, if he sees that game out, no-one is talking about substitutions.”

    But when challenged on the fact they ended up losing the game, Ferdinand argued: “It’s the fact it wasn’t based on the team shape or the team performance, it was based on a single person’s error of judgement. That’s the difference.

    “If it was a tactical situation, where you go, ‘That’s the reason they’ve lost today, because tactically they got that wrong’. They didn’t play well today, when they had 11 men or 10 men, but I wouldn’t say the substitutions were the reasons they didn’t get a draw.”

    Chelsea faced a similar scenario against Liverpool at Anfield this season, also conceding a penalty, but did not simply sit back and looked relatively comfortable.

    But Ferdinand rejected those comparisons, adding: “Chelsea look very confident, they understand how to navigate their way through difficult situations in matches. They went down to 10 men at Anfield and looked very comfortable.

    “Man United, on the other hand, looked like a team that were hoping to get a result tonight when they went down to 10 men. And that comes down to experience, that comes down to Chelsea winning something that brings confidence throughout that squad.

    “Confidence is streaming through that squad. It’s a very different place and time where they are in their development and Man United are trying to get to that point.” Rio Ferdinand

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    #185089
    Mikus
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    Tuchel has been at Chelsea for just 9 months; Solksjaer has been there for nearly 3 years. But Man Utd are still “trying to get to that point”. Really??

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    #185091
    sean the sailor
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    Nine that’s Rio a staunch ole fan but Ronaldo should have come off. He doesn’t run and isn’t going to chase balls in the channels but should have been Greenwood in my opinion. Utd just could not get on the ball againest a very poor side. I think that’s what people are debating. Your not playing Man City.

    Why bring Fred off and move lingard to midfield? Takes Fred off in 89th minute which looks like it was to waste time. And he’s a holding player. Lingard is in midfield and he’s there cause he was moved and made a silly pass.

    He made some bizarre decisions. I only watched it as utd were down to ten men. Young boys are an absolutely shocking side. They were terrible

    But it’s a massive over reaction towards ole. It’s one game but that’s the pressure he is under. Utd will win that group still and qualify.

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    #185092
    Pagan
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    Not quite sure how a conversation that should be about the humiliating defeat of the star studded Manchester United team against the Swiss Kids is all about Ole, a bit of deflection going on me thinks……. Pagan

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    #185093
    nine nine nine
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    I find it quite strange Pagan that opposition fans probably seem keener to replace Ole than United fans. Me I hope he stays.😊

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    #185094
    nine nine nine
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    Mikus, I think the point Rio was making was that Chelsea have earned from the experience of winning the CL under Tuchel whilst United have yet to benefit from winning anything under Ole.

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    #185095
    nine nine nine
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    Sean, I only watched snippets of the game and inc the last few minutes so can’t comment on United’s overall performance.

    I think Rio is right though Ole settled for a draw which overall I think would have been a decent result given all the circumstances.But for Lingard’s error he would have got that and there would have been little to no questions about the substitutions.

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    #185096
    sean the sailor
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    I don’t care what happens to ole nine to be honest. Just having a football discussion

    If ole doesn’t replace a holding player with a forward then lingard is not in that position to make the bad pass. Stevie wonder can see that chum

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