Week 29 1/2: Return of the Premi

[nine nine nine]

Brian, Wednesday was the first hiccup with goal line technology allegedly in 9,000 games had goal line technology not been in existence numerous border line goals would have been given when the ball hadn’t crossed the line, with lots of game changing potentially even trophy changing results it’s a force for good it doesn’t rely on human input like VAR which ultimately comes down to a Referee ruling on slo mo footage from various cameras miles from the ground.

I don’t think there can be any blame on Michael Oliver on Wednesday night he was rightly waiting for his watch to bleep imagine the fuss had Oliver ruled the goal good in his opinion when it was later not proven to be a goal.

VAR should probably have intervened but understandably given how accurate Hawkeye has been in 9,000 games they didn’t.

I suspect if it happens again VAR will get involved and point the Referee to the pitch side monitor etc how likely it is to happen again anytime soon can probably be gauged by the number of games previously Hawkeye has operated in without any problems.

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[Pagan]

9, the technology is there to assist the refereeing team , not do their job for them. The assistant referee had a clear line of sight and should have flagged…..Pagan

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[Brian blue]

Nine,,I am glad you said “allegedly”. it is not how many they get right but how many they do not stop for. I cannot remember who it was but I remember a Manager saying once….you learn nothing from winning, it is the loss that has to worked on…..or words to that effect. I am not trying to create an issue with this subject more a cautious view to the value of such change. Worth deateing though

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[Brian blue]

Pagan..you are so right

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[nine nine nine]

Pagan,”The speed, fluidity and unpredictability of the game are factors Fifa wanted to preserve. It is for these reasons that it insisted a decision must be relayed to the referee within one second of the ball crossing the line.” BBC Football

In the Sheffield United game I’m not that the Linesman had a clear sight as to whether the ball crossed the line or not as he was running towards the corner flag and not standing in line with the goal line in a static position.

The special watch that Referee’s wear now to receive the Hawkeye signal was designed to confirm whether the ball has or hasn’t crossed the line on numerous occasions that has been one of the most difficult decisions for the Referee’s and Linesmen to rule on which is why goal line technology was introduced and to very good effect too.

You can clearly see Michael Oliver telling the Sheffield United players that he his watch didn’t bleep so he can’t award the goal like it or not that’s how goal line decisions are now handled and across 9000 games prior to Wednesday night with complete accuracy.

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[Brian blue]

Re Oliver….maybe so Nine but we have always accepted Refs mistakes. Who is to blame when technology fails and in similar circumstances , will it do so again? We do not have a perfect solution availabe to us, so my preference would have been to uplift the standard of refereeing, even if it meant two Refs on the pitch!!!! Now that would be something!!!!

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[nine nine nine]

Brian, the 9,000 games came from Hawkeye which is why I said allegedly but can you remrmber any other game since it was introduced where Hawkeye erred because I can’t .

Hawkeye has got the narrowest of decisions right since it’s introduction like ruling out the Liverpool goal v City at the Etihad by the very narrowest of margins when it would have been impossible to the human eye to see which is why such decisions no longer sit with the officials and the Referee’s wear their watches with the bleeper.

Hawkeye rightly ruling the Liverpool goal out by the narrowest of narrowest margins had a significant effect on last season’s title race.

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[Pagan]

9, VAR and goal line technology are there as aids to the ref, not to do their job for them. If Hawkeye fails then no goals can be scored is what you’ve just said…..Pagan

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[nine nine nine]

Pagan, you might not like it but goal line decisions are no longer taken by the officials it’s taken by Hawkeye and communicated to the Referee by a signal to his watch and that’s the way it should be there is no way that Referee’s and Linesmen can rule on a goal line decision in respect of goals that were ruled to have crossed the line or not to by a fraction ie in the City v Liverpool match when a possible Liverpool goal was ruled out for the ball not completely crossing the line by the narrowest of margins which was not possible for the human eye to discern.

“if Hawkeye fails then no goals can be scored is what you’ve just said” is not what I’ve said at all anywhere in fact I questioned immediately why VAR didn’t get involved on the night!

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[Pagan]

Hawkeye say all 7 cameras that cover the goal we’re blocked, there is no obstruction on the side the ball went in along the goal line. For me the system failed to either send the signal to the ref, the cameras weren’t working or the person watching totally missed it….Pagan

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[Pagan]

9, you’ve just repeated the ball crossing the line is no longer the refs decision. Well yes it is, if the ref sees the ball cross the line by a yard and gets no signal does he just play on? You say yes I say no. Hawkeye is an aid to the ref, not the other way round…..Pagan

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[nine nine nine]

Hawkeye is meant to govern the narrow decisions Pagan not the obvious ones where the ball crosses line by a yard. But the Refs watch will still bleep. 🙂

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[Pagan]

That’s not what you said 9, and I quote

“Pagan, you might not like it but goal line decisions are no longer taken by the officials it’s taken by Hawkeye and communicated to the Referee by a signal to his watch”

I’m sorry 9, but the assistant had a clear view of it, he missed it, there was no obstruction along the goal line at all, the refereeing team are now shirking all responsibility for all major decisions whether it be Hawkeye or VAR. There is now the argument, do we need a ref on the pitch or can it be done remotely…..Pagan

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[nine nine nine]

As I said “Hawkeye is meant to govern the narrow decisions Pagan not the obvious ones where the ball crosses line by a yard. But the Refs watch will still bleep. ?”

I agree in the Sheffield United case which is as far as I know although perhaps you know different is the first case of Hawkeye failing since its introduction “if” the Linesmen as you claim “had a clear view of it, he missed it, there was no obstruction along the goal line at all,” then he should have flagged but I’m not sure that was the case.

The fact is this was more than an extremely isolated incident but the authorities should have a plan in place as a back stop in the unlikely event Hawkeye should fail again which currently to me looks like VAR and directing the Referee to a pitch side monitor. But it’s all about opinions Pagan.

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[Anonymous]

The reason in this case while there was no law broken it would have been very unsporting to award a goal when the keeper safely controlled the ball only to be bundled over the line with the ball through no fault of his own therefore in a sporting context the goal was rightly not given even if they had other reasons for not giving the goal like the watch not buzzing. Similar incident a couple of seasons ago when a player headed the ball out of the keepers hands as he was about to kick it but the goal was disallowed as it was not an act in good sporting context.

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[Pagan]

Moos, you can’t foul your own player, the incident you mention was an opposition player very much like the Nottingham Forest goal from years ago. If you could foul your own player then every time the opposition had the ball you’d kick lumps out of your team mates…..Pagan

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[Pagan]

9, define narrow decision….Pagan

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Just saw the line-ups… advantage YooUtd… not a line-up from Maureen that many Spuds would have guessed correctly.

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[Anonymous]

Mourinho nearly always selects a team based on player power rather than players form or ability

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[Anonymous]

However anuthings possible even a surprise Spurs victory

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