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as banjo said, at dortmund all he needed was bayern to have a below normal season and he’d win the league. in england you need 5 or 6 teams to under perform and even then you need to do bloody well to finish above them all.
i also think his charismatic personality is no longer winning people over. personally i cant stand it and think its quite fake (many disagree with me). my mates are now also fed up of him and we have a Klopp Count every time liverpool are on TV. would make a great drinking game actually – every time the cameras show klopp, drink. dont think anyone would make it to half time let alone full time. the media obsession with him is turning people against him now especially as results are going against him and its basically his fault. all managers come in for criticism except for klopp.
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Oz, I think that’s part of Klopp’s problem mate he is trying to build a team on a football philosophy of you score 3 and we’ll score 4 it’s great if it works but it didn’t work when Keegan tried it at Newcastle and I can’t see it working now in an even more competitive PL. Cheers 999
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Nobody is ever going to win the Prem with the Ossie/Perm-man approach, how does it go? Strikers win you matches, defenses win you titles… I don’t think truer words were ever spoken!
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We missing individuals best suited to the Gengenpressing, otherwise, I’ve never really noticed that much of a difference to what has been exhibited (compared to the type of football Liverpool are accustomed to deliver). For example: You need Mane as a finisher and the creativity of Adam Lallana.
It’s an absolute fair assessment from posters on Klopp placing emphasis solely on attack and forming no protection whatsoever. That aspect I would be critical of.
However, I do like him as a person and generally as a Manager and that’s why I felt for him, not to mention the point of things just not going for us, i.e. losing 2 cup finals.
I do feel the transfer windows have been challenging from a recruitment point of view, but from a shipping out point of view, we have cleared a lot of excess. What hasn’t changed though is certain personnel remaining with us like Lovren and Mignolet and this is what supporters quite frankly are fed up of and subsequently redundant because these drums have been banged over and over again.
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Paxton-I agree completely,Klopp should be sacked if he does not win major trophies this year,IMHO!.Keeping the likes of Mignolet,Lovren,Moreno,Sturridge this long,it is crazy.
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mavericks bit harsh mate realistically there’s only the FA Cup left for Klopp to win and that can all depend on the draw.
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Another year and season written off then. So effectively, I’m wasting my time and Our Owners are Gold Top.
What’s seriously the point of all this when everything in enjoyment is just filtered week in week out through the funnel of one or two clubs?
No sincere comfort for the rest of us.
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Maverick – sacking Klopp?? I know that you are not a Liverpool fan, and so I would imagine there is an element of mischief in that remark, but at Anfield there is no real discontent aimed at Klopp, at least not vocally. I think the thing that is stopping the crowd vocalising any discontent is two things…one is that with the exception of Hodgson, the Liverpool crowd have never called for the sacking of a manager, but more relevantly, I think the Liverpool fans worry about who would replace Klopp. Remember that under FSG’s ownership we were a hair’s breadth from having Roberto Martinez as our manager!! Getting Klopp as our manager was a coup at the time, he has been at the club a mere 2 years, and there is simply nothing to be gained by sacking a manager so quickly in my opinion.
And as for your Klopp drinking game, isn’t Mourinho just as much journo/TV fodder as Klopp? I’m not disagreeing with you about Klopp being a bit of a media darling, but you really need to blame the media for that, not Klopp!
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HH – i absolutely blame the media for it. but i hope you can understand how the excessive coverage of him and media love in can begin to turn people away from him.
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999-The CL is still a possibility mate.
HH-I did not say I would have sacked Klopp,I said doing the same thing over and over gets you nowhere,plus the owners and the fans should/would not tolerate it for too long!.But it was another poster who mentioned the drinking pal!._____________________________
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Pax – yes I can! It certainly did for me with both Mourinho and Redknapp, both of whom I quite liked initially as they were something different, but eventually Mourinho became the sour faced unpleasant man he is now and ‘Arry became a caricature of himself.
But a genuine question…in what way is Klopp a media darling? Is it you feel that he escapes criticism? Or is it just too much coverage? If it’s the former, well, I’m not so sure that’s true any more. His press conferences are full of him having to answer questions about his defence (quite rightly I may add!) and there are plenty of questions being asked by Sky pundits, journalists and fans about his inability to improve our defence. If it’s the latter, well Liverpool do generate a lot of media coverage. Sky”s highest viewing figures are dominated by Liverpool and Man Utd matches not just in this country but around the world, so the Liverpool manager is always going to get plenty of airtime.
Anyway beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I can understand you’ve had enough of the guy. At least we won’t win the league…then you’d be really sick of him!
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HH-No mischief on my part mate,remember Leicester and Chelsea winning titles after replacing their respective managers?.Stability does not always bring success,just take a look @ that joke of a club called Arsenal mate!.Imagine being an Arsenal fan,waking up every day to that ugly French mug with a long nose?!.Unfortunately mate football is a result based sport.
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HH – i dread to think what would happen if he won something. i agree that they are starting to get on his back a bit, but hes still getting quite an easy ride considering his comments about how easy defending is, yet liverpool are a shambles defensively. any other manager would be slated if they managed a top 6 team and hadnt actually identified and worked on their biggest weakness in 2 years. i dont think he actually gets excessive airtime so to speak, its the attention he gets. next time you watch a liverpool match take note of how many times he features on the screen. they even show countless replays of his reactions. liverpool score – go to klopp, liverpool concede – go to klopp, theres a chance at either end – go to klopp, henderson completes a 10 yard sideways pass – go to klopp! the reason they give him such an easy ride is because hes quirky and they find him entertaining. journalists dont want to upset him because then they lose their soundbites and quotes for their click bait articles. i still think hes a good manager, but not the messiah hes made out to be and nor do i think he warrants being the star of the show whenever liverpool are on.
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maverick, but how likely is that mate I would put Liverpool winning the CL somewhere between very unlikely and a miracle but miracles do happen as Istanbul proves.?
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Klopp is no way getting an easy ride these days in my opinion. You look st footbsll365 and every 2nd day there is an article criticizing him. Pundits are all over him.
I can see what pax is saying. Klopp is always giving out to the 4th official. I’m surprised he hasn’t been send to the stands as he gets right in their face.
Calls for Klopp to be sacked are ridiculous. He got into the cl in his 1st real season. He’s making silly decisions at the minute. We are in a bad rut and it’s scandalous that’s we never got 2 centre backs never mind one. It’s very early days. Things can change quickly but Klopp needs to start changing formations and tactics.
Apart from the Maribor game recently, i don’t get this we are great going for add talk. We miss to many chances.
The defensive mistakes are individual mistakes from players been to stupid to follow orders. It’s Klopp fault Lovren is still there. Look at city now. Look at how they defend because stones and otemadi are on the same page. Like spurs, they play a high line to an absolute tee. We either have one defender Keeping people onside or people pushing out to quick. There’s no organization back there. No one screaming to push out after a set play. It’s basic defending and it’s a shambles back there because of individual mistakes and Klopp having trust in average players
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I had a brief look at this the other day as a notable statistic of form and in relation to the Prem, the last time we had won 3 League games on the bounce was around December of last year.
On this form, there is no way in the world we’ll make top 4, because United for instance have improved. Tottenham and Man City are dead certs in my eye, so that would leave Arsenal and Chelsea to take a dip.
I don’t really see any other outsider threatening the big-boys so the opportunity is there, but we’re the master of our own downfall and effectively screwing this up.
This is why frustration continues to boil.
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Sean-Had Liverpool addressed the defence long time ago,Liverpool would be challenging for the title!.It just seem like a stubborn act just like with AW @ Arse!
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I echo much of what has been said on the thread. I would point to a few reasons why I think Klopp has taken the stance he has over transfers. First I think he thinks he has the luxury of time to build us up after FSG brought him in – even more so when they extended his contract after less than a year in charge last summer. Has that made him feel a bit too comfortable? Also, he has struggled with the physicality of the league which has exacerbated things. The CL has also raised expectations in a period that he sees as merely the middle of a transition process, hence there’s a disparity between what the fans expect and him playing the long game to build us up gradually.
As regards transfers themselves, I don’t think Klopp is used to having more control over transfers, and, like Wenger, I wonder if he now has too much power and control over who comes in. I’m not advocating the return of a transfer committee, but it strikes me that FSG are very passive owners who seem to think Klopp will take care of everything and have thus given him a lot of the control. Klopp’s ‘no signing better than a bad signing’ actions that we’ve seen over recent windows is I think, symptomatic of that. The club obviously need to support him in a resource sense as much as a financial one, but if Klopp becomes too stubborn, it will cost him.
The evidence for my analysis has been seen in his bemoaning of the stature of the club and blaming it’s history for putting pressure on our younger players, as he put it. Whilst he does have a point, it is futile to moan about something he can’t control – there will always be a strong media focus on Liverpool. This is a critical time for him, and he seems to be finding that the premier league is much less forgiving.
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Mikus, I’m not sure you can put down sleeping through a defensive crisis for two years as Klopp thinking he’s got plenty of time.
Klopp is in a very fortunate position because at another club he might already be gone and tbh I think even FSG will be expecting Klopp to sort things out between now and the end of next season otherwise even FSG might press the eject button.
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You could argue for maybe one or two, even 3, but for an entire defensive unit and a keeper with a variable of vulnerability attached to their skills-set cannot be justified and simply isn’t viable to make serious progress (albeit top 4 last season).
Klopp has remain with players that are not even his players as far as the defence goes, and as rightly mentioned, has tried to counteract this with his attacking philosophy. When you have no real striker (I have never considered Firmino in my view as one), and when you’re short of key ammunition like Sadio and Adam Lallana, then you’re just making life more comfortable for the opposition.
It’s funny how I looked at Jose’s back 4, and practically for example, the defence he inherited remain the same, albeit Eric Bailey and one new guy signed; the likes of Phil Jones, Chris Smalling and Daily Blind play, and yet, they have a howler in them. David De Gea though has always been first class. Simon Mignolet hasn’t. A parallel of a comparison is that Jose naturally is more defensive and bought Matic to guard the defence.
If we do stick with Klopp, maybe the arrival of Kieta might bring us something we’ve lacked, but our organisation when it comes to addressing what we need and contingencies are feeble. Nathanial has carried a back injury for ages, and yet we rely on an inexperienced youngster.
JK can’t get any different mileage out of Brendan’s stock with individuals like Mignolet, Lovren and Moreno, because we can’t remain focused over the course of 90 mins, and plus, we just struggle consistently with set pieces, ariel threats and second balls.
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