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  • #193232
    nine nine nine
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    United bought in Rangnick but he’s hardly managed anyone in the last 10 years where he’s spent the most of his time as a Sporting Director?

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    #193233
    nine nine nine
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    Some potentially good news Ed?

    “Fabrizio Romano, speaking to The United Stand, has claimed Ten Hag has no interest in signing a new contract over in Amsterdam.

    That bodes well for the Red Devils, who would likely have faced a huge challenge when it comes to his potential appointment had he renewed his current deal.

    Ten Hag apparently wants to explore his options at the end of the season, while the Glazers plan to start looking at different managers from March.

    He may, therefore, find the chance to manage United too tough to turn down – though he isnโ€™t the only name the board have in mind.” Express 11/01

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    #193234
    sean the sailor
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    I think he was brought in as he supposedly had a clear way of old tiny nine mate and it is similar to poch who looks certain to come in the summer. We have yet to see this clear way of playing though. No pressing, no real running, doesnโ€™t defend high, changing personal and fornetyin fat to much to develop any kind of understanding of tactics etc

    Conte has used the same 14/15 players and is getting results with a clear plan. Conte would have brought utd back to the top and oriole say he be gone in 3 years but so will the next manager utd have. Conte is an elite manager and utd really messed up not getting him.

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    #193235
    Editor
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    Good news Nine. I’m well aware Ten Hag could massively flop but he’s worth giving a try. People will have to be patient though and let him build something. Rangnick has come in to completely transform the way of playing and after half a dozen games, people are saying things like this ๐Ÿ˜‚:

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    #193236
    Editor
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    Sean, I think it’s too early to say Utd missed out on Conte. He’s a very good manager but ask Chelsea fans if they’d want him back. Very few would. Chelsea were very poor towards the end of his time there.

    I do think Conte would have had a bigger instant lift but I think we’d have been pretty dull to watch and I think he’d be falling out with everyone as he’s always done. I’m totally fine with the fact they want to spend time identifying the right man for the summer and not just rush into another journeyman appointment. We need someone who can build something. Conte would have been very similar to Mourinho I think.

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    #193237
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Someone needs to tell Ten Hag he’s got no chance, Sweedy Eddy’s milkman has assured as all the job is Poncho’s dream and he’s already packed his bags….

    Of course, Ten Hag could be going to the Spuds, because Puppyov’s milkman swears blind he’ll through his toys out of his pram when Danny Boy doesn’t buy him a nice chocolate Easter Egg… ๐Ÿ™‚

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    #193238
    Editor
    Keymaster

    Keep telling yourself you don’t care that Poch wanted the Utd job Chucky. Clearly hasn’t got to you AT ALL! ๐Ÿ˜ #freepochandharry

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    #193239
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Keep telling yourself Poch dreams of managing your mob… ๐Ÿ™‚

    #REMEMBERWHENYOOUTDWEREDECENT???

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    #193240
    Nike19
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    Personally, this is great from a rival and a competitor’s point of view the level of threat and the misery United caused me in the late 90s.

    ‘Objectively’, the United fans unanimously cannot be happy with what they are seeing. If you break this down to employees and ways of working, maybe there is change after change after change that some of them have had enough. If I was one of them, I’d be straight to my agent and get him to find me a new club or I’d be handing in my notice.

    Some players to me are going through the motions. Maybe a few of them do play for the badge. Something over recent years has been taken away. Old Trafford for teams is not a place to fear. I was going to align this with United in the 80s, but even back then when they were mid-table, there was something about them, had good players, an aura and an identity. That can’t be described when speaking about what we see in the here and now.

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    #193241
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Who cares, Nil, who bloody cares??

    They’ve been lording it up for years, their mother is a Worthog and their father smells of elderberries, and I shall continue to sneeze in their genereal direction.

    So they’re having a bad “patch”, big deal, they’ve had enough good times, welcome to the also rans… ๐Ÿ™‚

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    #193242
    Editor
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    “Who cares?” He says while still talking about Utd ๐Ÿ˜. When people are no longer talking about us underperforming, I’ll start to be concerned.

    I do appreciate the welcome to the also-rans from the experts of that group, though ๐Ÿ˜‰.

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    #193243
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Absolutely the expert on also rans… we put the Spurs into Spursy!!! ๐Ÿ™‚

    One mans “talking about us” is another mans “larffing my Aresnal off”!! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

    It’s all very amusing and entertaining… so I do sincerly thank you (and your team).

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    #193244
    sean the sailor
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    Ye Ed, fair to early to judge conte at spurs mate but my point is, he had a clear plan and a clear way of playing. You can see that after two months. Utd have played boring football since Ferguson left so contes could be no worse then what we have previously seen.

    Heโ€™s an elite manager and thatโ€™s what utd need to get them back in track. I donโ€™t believe poch or den hag will do that. Conte won the league on his first season with Chelsea but wasnโ€™t his 2nd season a bad then he was gone? You donโ€™t get more then one bad season at Chelsea. Ye he falls out with everyone after a few years but at least those few year, utd be competitive again.

    Utd wonโ€™t give anyone the chance to build anything Ed mate. One bad season and the manager be sacked. If utd got poch and they finished tenth, he be sacked. He wouldnโ€™t be given another season to turn it around

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    #193245
    Mikus LFC
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    Until Utd have a unified board, manager and recruitment team all working together nothing will change. Up until now, they’re basically on one hand trying to play the longer term game by building more patiently, but on the other hand they’re still spending big on players to try and get things going as quickly as possible. So it’s as though they’re trying to straddle both sides, but now seem adamant that they want a long term man to sit in the dugout. But even with that “right man”, will the board be able to restrain themselves from blowing money on big names? A similar story seems to have played out at Barca, with the club, after Pep, seemingly prioritising a manager who plays the “right way” whilst simultaneously blowing money left, right and centre to try and quickly bring back the glory days, and nearly blowing themselves up in the process. So they seem to be trying to be patient whilst being impatient. It’s what I think tends to happen at a club after a period of dominance – it’s like they’re looking for a quick hit to quickly bring the glory back. Liverpool arguably went through a similar pattern in the 90s and they rarely changed manager. Interesting that it took Liverpool to nearly go bankrupt themselves before they finally turned a corner.

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    #193246
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    Utd have played boring football since Ferguson left so contes could be no worse then what we have previously seen.

    Sean, that’s a rubbish excuse though. So, because, we’ve played rubbish football since Ferguson left, we should just accept that and not want to improve it? That makes no sense.

    Utd wonโ€™t give anyone the chance to build anything Ed mate. One bad season and the manager be sacked. If utd got poch and they finished tenth, he be sacked. He wouldnโ€™t be given another season to turn it around

    Again, that’s nonsense Sean. People have criticised us massively for giving Ole too much time. “No other team would have given him that much time” was said all the time. So, which one is it? We give managers too much time or not enough?

    Ye he falls out with everyone after a few years but at least those few year, utd be competitive again.

    But that’s literally what happened with Mourinho. We were relatively competitive again. Won a few trophies. But it was mindnumbingly dull. Rival fans loved telling us how boring we were to watch and how defensive we were. So, we should be aiming for that again? No thanks.

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    #193247
    Editor
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    Don’t disagree with any of that Mikus. Woodward has gone now and the feeling is that the new guy is more than happy to accept that he shouldn’t be making any football related decisions which is a positive step. As you say, if they do decide to go for a manager capable of building something a bit more long term, they need to really get behind that idea and not get all giddy and start writing cheques as soon as a top player seemingly becomes available. I think, in fairness, Woodward was a big part of that.

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    #193248
    sean the sailor
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    ole wasnโ€™t doing to bad Ed. He was getting to semi finals and cl spots yet as soon as a really really bad run happened, he was sacked. You were saying there was progress in his first few seasons. So your telling me if poch took over in the summer and finished 10th in his first season he would be given a few more seasons to build?

    It takes years to build a team and no club really gives that time. My point was, contes football is a lot better then what you have seen in 8 years and if he was winning trophies no one would care. Liverpool under Rafa were boring yet we were competitive and we enjoyed winning.

    Winning trophies playing great football is great but allโ€™s fans really care about us winning.

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    #193249
    Chucky McChuckface
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    ole wasnโ€™t doing to bad Ed.

    I though he was doing great….

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    #193250
    Editor
    Keymaster

    Winning trophies playing great football is great but allโ€™s fans really care about us winning.

    I don’t disagree with that but Conte does nothing to improve a club for the future so what would be the point of him coming in (like Mourinho did), winning a Europa League and a Carabao Cup then falling out with the Chairman and leaving. Just like with Mourinho, we’d be here again in 2 years wondering what to do again. That’s fine if you’re like Chelsea and have a great structure at board level. We don’t. We can’t just chop and change managers like that.

    Conte would buy older players, would have Rashford and Sancho converted to wingbacks ๐Ÿ˜‚. Bring Ashley Young back.

    I agree winning is what matters, above style. Definitely. But we’ve been there, done that with Mourinho and it set us back even further despite the trophies.

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    #193251
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    Keymaster

    Sean, honest question, who would be your choice to replace Klopp if he was to leave tomorrow? Would you take Mourinho?

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