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HH, my package over here has all the “live” games from the Prem, including the 3 oclock, and also as the “reply” function so I can watch any of the games they’re not showing within the next 48 hrs… (and I should also have my package has 4 channels, so it has been known here to show up to 4 “3 oclock” games at the same time…
I also have La Liga and Bundesliga across those 4 channels, so sometimes there’s a clash and the might pick a non-Prem game…
Overall, I’m pretty happy with what I’ve got (although I have no idea what the cost is, it’s all lumped in with the internet, HBO, Disney, and a few others, and her’s and her’s mobile phones….)
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On a side note, anybody else watching the that “Welcome to Wrexham” thing on Disney?
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Good to see you back Hightown. Your example is an even better one than mine. I’d hazard a guess that you just wouldn’t bother going any longer if there were prem games on at that time. I think there are a lot of that kind of fan still.
As Chucky says, those of us outside the UK already get access to the 3pm games anyway so it makes no difference to us. That’s not to say I don’t care though. I know we need to move with the times but it doesn’t sit easy with me that the PL clubs, all backed by huge foreign investment, just say “F you” to the life and soul of many of these smaller communities and clubs who have been around for decades.
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Hightown, it’s great that you get around like that but it seems pretty atypical of the demographic as a whole (the demographic being people who enjoy football enough to pay to watch one way or another).
Bottom line is money. If lifting the 3pm blackout puts more money in the clubs hands in EFL they will do it. I don’t have a detailed costs benefits analysis, but my intuition is that it will lead to more income.
What percentage of utd fans are able to be at OT for 3pm’s for example? Say there are 3 million utd fans in UK only 74k can attend the game which means 97.5% or more of the fans are denied the right to pay to watch the game.
My main gripe with the blackout is simply that it continues without any modern justification and forces fans to technically break the law to watch their team when many would happily pay. Of course many miss out altogether and don’t resort to pirate streams but many of these people would pay to watch the games too.
I think it’s inevitable to be honest.
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“but it doesn’t sit easy with me that the PL clubs, all backed by huge foreign investment, just say “F you” to the life and soul of many of these smaller communities and clubs who have been around for decades.”
So just say “F you” to all the fans that live in UK and can’t watch their team play then? What is the life and soul of the game if not the fans Ed? And how does allowing 3pm games to be broadcast say F you to more people?
Sure we can cite anecdotes about a tiny minority of people who decide whether or not to attend a game based on what’s on the box, but what serves the most here? Forget who owns the clubs, what serves the most fans?
Football clubs will always be major parts of their communities and anyone who loves football would rather watch their team live at the stadium than on the box….but if you cant watch it at stadium at least let us watch it on the box! 😆
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My uncle was a Cardiff city fan through and through. If Cardiff were home at 3pm on Saturday it wouldn’t matter who were on TV at that time or whether it was free to view, my uncle would be at ninian park.
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Watching those “Welcome to Wrexham” or “Sunderland Till I Die!” shows would suggest fans of those clubs who go week in, week out, wouldn’t be too fussed about what other games are on the box… it’s a whole day out for most of them!
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It’s a proposal that won’t come into operation until 2024 assuming it goes ahead and it’s all about creating more revenue.
It gives the PL time to analyse the potential impact of broadcasting live 3 pm games, again it will be down to revenue.
It’s worth remembering though that the PL makes more money from oversea sales than they do domestic sales.
The current TV deal for the PL runs until the 2025 season the introduction of BT and Amazon into the broadcast mix is already costing fans more money than it did and the more Broadcasters with their fingers in the pie will just add to that.
My personal view is that there’s nothing more important than live football in a Stadium and I’ve handed that down to my Son’s and Grandsons who will be at Ashton Gate tonight and on Saturday.
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“It’s worth remembering though that the PL makes more money from oversea sales than they do domestic sales.”
Nine;
“For the 2022 to 2025 rights cycle, The Times says international deals will be worth UK£5.3 billion (US$7.1 billion), up 30 per cent, while domestic deals bring in UK£5.1 billion (US$6.9 billion), with commercial partnerships taking the total to UK£10.5 billion (US$14.2 billion)”
It’s basically 50% UK 50% from the rest of the world, and they are only actually selling 40% of the product which is overpriced on our end as consumers because sky and bt inflate the prices to subsidise other products.
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I’m not going to my local restaurant tonight because there is football on the TV. The catering industry is petitioning for a blackout of all football broadcasts as it means people have more options than just stuffing their faces, which is a British tradition which I feel strongly about and should be protected.
All business before midday on Sunday as well as TV is banned so people are more likely to go to church. Need to protect that too.
Judge Judy to be banned between 9am-5pm so more people choose to work 😆
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The blackout is made possible by Article 48 in UEFA’s statutes, which allows member nations to select a two-and-a-half-hour weekend slot where live football is banned.
It has not been widely implemented across Europe, however, with England, Scotland and Montenegro its only users. It came into force in England to protect attendances at lower-league games, which traditionally kick off at 3pm on Saturdays.
Explaining the EFL’s decision, chief commercial officer Ben Wright said: “With 54 per cent of the UK population watching EFL football on television each year and a global audience of more than 400 million, it’s an exciting time to be going to market for the League’s broadcast rights.
“Whilst the appetite for EFL football remains stronger than ever, we want to grow this audience further. We are inviting proposals from organisations that can enhance and develop the League’s offering, taking a new and innovative approach to how people consume EFL content.
“Alongside the EFL’s rich tradition and distinguished history there is a desire to evolve, grow and innovate in order to grow our audience further and we’re looking for a partner or partners who share that vision.”
https://theathletic.com/3683077/2022/10/12/premier-league-blackout/
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Lucky,”The new figure for international rights will reach £5.05bn, just beating out that of the domestic rights, also representing a 30% increase in value when compared to the £3.89bn they gained between 2019 and 2022 for the same thing.”
The growth in overseas revenues is much stronger than domestic revenues and is predicted to grow further.
Impossible to predict how broadcasting rights may go it all depends on who puts how much on the table, currently we’re only talking about the EFL which allows the PL to observe the impact if it goes ahead but everything will depend on who puts what on the table.
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Yeah of course nine it’s only going to grow naturally abroad for time being, but only way it will grow domestically is if they start selling 100% of their product instead of 40% in terms of live games.
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We’ll have to wait and see how things shape up Lucky currently even the EFL is just a proposal.
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Yeah but in my opinion nine, it is a matter of when, not if, the blackout will be lifted. It’s all pointed that way in terms of how we are moving to streaming services and how the market for football has expanded far beyond just those that attend the matches.
As I posted above, the only other countries within UEFA that utilise article 58 to enforce a blackout are Scotland and Montenegro. The vast majority are not missing a trick are they?
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The words from Blue Day sum it up for me.
“The only place to be, every other Saturday
Is strolling down the Fulham Road
Meet your mates, have a drink, have a moan and start to think
Will there ever be a blue tomorrow?”Sadly firstly Geography and then health problems limited me going to the Bridge and then stopped me getting to the Bridge all together but those Saturdays and all the night games will always live in the memory and circa 50 years of going to the Bridge will stay with me forever. Sadly Saturdays will never be the same.
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Nine, Germans enjoy their match day experience just as much as you did and they, like pretty much every other country within UEFA, do not utilise article 48 to enforce a blackout.
What you describe is obviously the best way to enjoy football, but is besides the point in this discussion.
40k chelsea fans get to do that, hundreds of thousands don’t. Just like in Germany and every where else, those people deserve right to pay to watch on TV. Don’t you want to watch chelsea at 3pm on Saturday now you can’t go to stadium? Is there a genuine argument to be made to deny us that right? I have yet to hear it bud.
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Lucky, I was just reminiscing mate going to the Bridge was magical right from the very first time when I was a 10 year old in short pants.
As I said the other day “We’ll have to wait and see how things shape up Lucky currently even the EFL is just a proposal.”
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But whether they will or not, what about whether they should? I haven’t heard a good argument as to why they shouldn’t lift the blackout.
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Lucky, it’s just a proposal from the EFL whether it goes further than that will depend on who offers what and it’s not even on the agenda of the PL.
If the PL put it on its agenda it would depend on the proposal for all TV coverage across all Broadcasters including 3pm ko’s and it would have to be affordable Sky plus BT Sport is already expensive.
If it is affordable and it doesn’t effect attendances I would be for it.
But from a PL perspective there’s not even a bone let alone any meat on the bone and we’re merely talking about a what if.
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