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It’s whether or not a suitable replacement candidate is out there and whether it would be too many games for a interim caretaker replacement to take on a job. Maybe both Rodgers and Lamps will be given until the rest of the season. With Cup Competitions into consideration, both sets of boards may look to see how the next few weeks maybe months, pan out.
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Threeps, I looked into what you were saying about nunrz runs ayou do have a point mate. Salah or mane made the vertical runs with bobby pushed back to pick any loose balls in midfield. Now nunez is making those runs and thereβs a massive gap between midfield and the strikers.
Itβs one of the issues we have but I canβt believe our stats for running per gane. Itβs very poor
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Everton are in a mess and that starts at the very top and whilst Rafa was the wrong appointment Frank was too inexperienced they are now in a hole they probably can’t afford to sack Frank and his staff and realistically who is there to replace him anyway.
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I suppose it comes down to whether the players still feel Lampard is able to get them playing and how much further they fall. Sometimes, it’s not about finding someone better rather than just getting a new face in to give the club a lift. If Lampard is to have a management career, like Gerrard, it will most probably be in the lower leagues. Both seem severely lacking at this level.
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Both far to young to be taking pl jobs with such lack of experience in my view.
Gerrard should have stayed at rangers for longer and then maybe a championship club
Both never seem to have an idea of their best 11 or formations.
No one should touch that Everton job.
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To be fair Frank has been asked to do the job with his hands tied behind his back not only has he had no money to spend but Richarlison was sold and not replaced in a team that barely stayed up last season and Calvert Lewin is constantly injured result only 14 goals scored.
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Often hear who else is available for managerial jobs but I think sometimes the search needs to forget about household names and look to the foreign leagues. Someone with a growing reputation that has a style that fits the club.
Brighton did this replacing Potter with de Zebri and I think he’s looking pretty good so far. Bet none of us would have put him down on a list for a Premier league appointment.
Sean, our running stats are shocking this season. Think Mikus asked, is it a shift of style or a result of our injury situation? I have read that it’s Peps influence, that he has the idea to lessen the intensity to save the legs for later in the season. Pep is gaining more influence as Jurgen is slowly handing over the reigns.
Not sure about that, I would hope any change of style would be Klopps decision but we don’t know what is going on in his mind and if he is indeed slowly handing over responsibilities.
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I’d actually argue we’ve been pressing less for sometime now. Even the year we won the league, we tended to just dominate possession and had the players to do it and remember we won a lot of games narrowly back then with lots of 1-0s and 2-1s I think. We still pressed but more in moments of the game I think. I just think those players in midfield have aged and declined and just can’t keep possession as well. Also the fact we’ve bought just one midfielder in 4 years (Thiago) is also pretty shocking.
If you look at Klopp’s reaction to Bajcetic’s closing down and tackle here, it tells me Klopp still wants that from his players.
Stefan Bajcetic with an immediate impact in #LIVLEI πͺ pic.twitter.com/jYPiNRatCA
— Liverpool FC (@LFC) December 31, 2022
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The best model in my view to suit our philosophy and style (similar to Man City) but specifically for us in particular is fielding a plethora of attacking players on the pitch at one time. This unfortunately we have been unable to administer largely down to injuries.
Imagine with the new guy Gakpo, Luis Diaz, Diago Jota, and Mo Salah; even with Firmino. The less pressure applied because I don’t believe we’ve had the personnel.
I’m sorry to bleat on about this particular example, but Mane was the Man dribbling and making things happen. Salah too. Fabinho would dare a surging run here and there as with Milner, but we don’t see that happening. Gini was such a huge loss and Tiago unfortunately was hampered with injuries. Keita is the other guy, but we all know the history unfortunately with him too. That’s the plan and the one blueprint Klopp thrives on executing knowing the defense effectively takes care of itself.
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Ed. I don’t think Frank was necessarily the right appointment for Everton but he solved the Rafa problem.
Everton were fortunate to avoid relegation last season but if you sell your best player don’t replace him spend almost nothing on the team against the background of where you were last season you’re playing with fire.
Evertonians don’t want Frank replaced because they’ve got no confidence in who the owner would replace him with. Sean Dyche might dig them out of it this season but even medium term he’s not the answer.
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The thing with Frank and stevie too, is that they simply were not qualified for premier league manager jobs.
As a fan of lamps I totally believed he could be a great manager but there was no real reason to believe it when he was appointed. Mel Morris at Derby took a blind chance and while it didn’t completely backfire and lamps may be good enough for championship, there weren’t many teams in championship with players as good as tomori or mount. He then got chelsea job off back of this one season. Now I understand our circumstances at the time but his appointment wasn’t deserved.
Same as stevie at rangers, what had he done to prove he deserved that chance? Nothing, he won a title fair play but its a joke of a league and he really didn’t deserve villa job off the back of that short stint in Glasgow.
I think being a top manager is a lot harder than we sometimes think and premier league clubs that appoint people with little to zero experience in leagues close to prem standard just because of their playing records are taking massive risks.
I couldn’t help but support lamps appointment and hope for the best but it is clear it was stupid of us to offer him the job and of him to take it.
If they really want to be managers they need to get good and that means truly earning their place atvthe top table.
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What Jose said about lamps appointment at Chelsea at the time;
“I don’t know, I can’t say if he will be a great manager, I just know Lampard the player, and we obviously all know what he was,but a manager is a different role.
In this era it looks like one day you are a pundit, or a former bench player, and next you become manager. It’s hard to win as a manager.
You can’t just be a premier league manager like that, when I arrived at chelsea, only 2 managers arrived from outside the league that season, Benitez, who won la liga and Europa League and myself who won 6 trophies in 2 years at porto.
That’s the level that was required to be in the Premier league so I can’t say he is going to succeed at Chelsea but I wish him the best”
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Completely agree Lucky. Lampard was a bizarre appointment at Chelsea, as Ole was at Utd. There was always going to be a big initial lift when he joined Chelsea and it’s easy to get drawn in by that and get carried away. He doesn’t get near that job without his playing career and, as has been proved many a time, the levelat which a player performed as a player has little to no bearing on their ability as a coach. There’s no reason why a good (or great) player can’t be a good (or great) coach. It’s just that there is no correlation so you’re taking a gamble based on emotion which is just such an unnecessary risk. Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal all rolled the dice with Ole,Lampard and Arteta. Arsenal seemed to have rolled a 6 while the others weren’t so lucky. All 3 are too big as clubs to take those risks. Sure, they can pay off as appears the case with Arsenal but they just don’t need to take risks like that.
Nine, did he solve the Rafa problem though? I’d argue they’re in as bad a state now as when Rafa was there. The only thing he has over Rafa is that he’s not an ex Liverpool coach, which means he was always going to be liked more. There aren’t many managers around who would have failed to be liked more than Rafa at Everton.
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His record in the PL is scarily bad. If his name is Frank Thompson instead of Lampard, he never sees another job in any of the top 3 leagues.
π Frank Lampard has now dropped 48 Premier League points from a possible 72 as Everton manager. Thatβs a win percentage of 14.29%
π It is the lowest of any top flight manager in Europes top 5 Leagues. Spending Β£284.6m on transfers in the process #EFC #EPLD pic.twitter.com/ZCrRwKKgCW
— EPL Digest (@epldigest) September 3, 2022
π·πΊ Since Roman Abramovich arrived in 2003 Chelsea have had 14 managers.
π΅ Of the permanent managers Frank Lampard has the second lowest win % pic.twitter.com/iJ6d7VDEIg
— Betfair (@Betfair) January 25, 2021
Frank Lampard now has a lower win percentage as Everton manager than Rafa Benitez β¬οΈ
Itβs also the third lowest of any manager in Evertonβs history π³ pic.twitter.com/VSBWA2VzAD
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Ed. yeah you’re right have Everton improved from Rafa to Frank and they haven’t but when I say he solved the Rafa problem there was little chance of Everton staying up last season with the Everton fan base so against Rafa.
Everton is an impossible job currently if you sell your best player and give next to nothing to the Manager when you’ve sailed so close to relegation last season you’re not going to improve whoever the Manager may be.
A big part of Frank getting the Chelsea job was the transfer ban.
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Yeah nine I don’t think he would have been considered but for the ban
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Lampard says he has confidence in his ability to turn it around at Everton, and to be fair what else would he say, but deep down he must have serious doubts surely.
Still wouldn’t rule him out from becoming a decent manager but he needs to start lower down.
Carrick is doing great with Middlesborough, if he can get them promoted to prem league and keep them there, he would deserve a bigger job in prem.
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Yeh the lower leagues tend to be the best pathway for any young managers no matter what your name, and they need quite a few years there to develop. Also you’re much more out the limelight if you make mistakes.
John Terry might be one to watch. Back at Chelsea after his Villa role I believe, developing the young players. Again, he’s out the limelight.
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Arteta is an exception Ed but slightly different narrative to lamps and stevie g.
They seemed to get a job based on their reps as players but there was certainly a buzz about arteta at city, and while I never understood it then he was obviously showing talent under pep that was recognised.
Still a massive risk to appoint him as you said though but his fa Cup win certainly helped the higher ups at arsenal keep faith with him.
I am sold on him as a very good coach now though I think this arsenal team speaks for him.
On top of that I have recently recognised something in him that many of the recent greats like pep, klopp, Jose and conte share, he is a prick! π
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He certainly is getting kudo’s for touchline twattery…
So, a must win for my Cock’s I think, even it’s to just get the cyber wrappings off our backs for a week. Not the strongest 11 starting, combined with a very weak bench… don’t fancy our chances much!
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