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Unfortunate challenge from Robertson it gave VAR and the Referee a decision to make. Tough one to swallow though so late in the game.
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From a personal point of view it’s not a penalty, but there was contact, and as when Salah’s foot was touched in a recent game and he went down holding his ankle a penalty is given. The Laws of the game are being taken to literally, and are at odds with the sport itself, we’re now seeing a contact sport where any contact is an offence……Pagan
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Ye very true pagan. Good example
No problem with the result. Just think var has ruined the game for us all. Takes the enjoyment out of it
We didn’t deserve anything more then a draw and we look exhausted and we need players back
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We can chill at the Top for at least a bit. Tomorrow will be interesting. More points are likely to be dropped is my feeling.
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Threeps, I felt like turning the match off when I saw the peno given. I had been sitting back in my chair and it never even crossed my mind that we were at risk of anything being called back. i was surprised they even looked at it but when the ref was called to watch it, I genuinely dreaded some idiocy and he didnt let me down.
This is a few times now lately that I am getting this urge to turn matches off and maybe it’s me getting older and just fed up, or maybe the game really is going in the wrong direction. I always had assumed it was just me but when you say that, I really know what you are talking about.
Im just angry now, like the Everton match and it’ll probably pass and I’ll get back to loving football at some other time but whether I’m right or wrong, I feel like we’ve been robbed of points (admittedly that we might not have fully earned, over the 90 mins) and of a spectacle.
I could have done something else but I watched a match and it was just a bloody letdown.
Instead of talking about that though, we weren’t good enough. Better after Hendo came on but still not good. too annoyed to ,talk about the actual match though.
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I agree with Pagan. These ultra marginal decisions are spoiling the game. People say we all wanted correct decisions so whats the answer? I dont know. I just know it doesnt feel right.
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Also just too many games crammed together. The players get stale and get muscle injuries.
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Stevo good to see you back postng buddie.
Yep under today’s rules with VAR in operation it was a pen Robertson made no contact with the ball and kicked Welbeck’s foot. Tough one to take though. Cheers 9’s
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Sean we may not have fully deserved the points in terms of how well we played over the 90 but we scored 1 legit goal and they were handed theirs.
Good example Pagan alright. In Salah’s case, I think he was actually taken out of playing the ball with the contact though. Surely that should matter when it’s such a low impact contact?
Hendo is talking about the clear and obvious thing. I know this is probably a correct question to ask but I really dislike the entire ‘clear and obvious’ line of thought, as the rule is just terribly implemented.
Just seen it again from a different angle.. Jesus i just cant believe that was given. anyway i’ll stop ranting.
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and yes, welcome back Steveo. Hope all is well dude. now we just need Chucky back.
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There’s Adlab. tell us honestly if you think it was a penalty or not, if you don’t mind 😛
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Mak, Salah felt a bit of contact and threw himself to the ground, in much the same way Welbeck did today, in both situations there was nowhere near enough force to have that effect, however the players intentional action in both incidents was to draw the attention of the ref and VAR.
Once VAR is alerted the laws of the game are enforced, was there contact, yes, so therefore a penalty, absolutely no consideration given to the force or intent involved.
As for clear and obvious, for me VAR (if we have to have it) should only be used when it’s something you’d expect the officials to get right with one look at in real time, one they’d look at once and say “I’ve made a mistake”
It does make me laugh though, both myself and Chuckles were the only voices against VAR, we were just concerned it would sterilise the game and we’d have nothing controversial to talk about….Pagan
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Very harsh. Would not have been given pre VAR. But thats what I dont like. Its hard to justify saying something which is technically correct however marginal, is wrong…but it just is.
If we only saw the old style tv replay youd say “ive seen them given” ie it would not be a pen.
Most fans are fed up of it….maybe apart from one team?😀_____________________________
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Nice goal Mahrez! Good move.
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With VAR, every micro-detail is now being examined in full detail and in slow motion. I’ve been dwelling on why this is for some time now. And I think VAR has come about because it is completely rooted in fear – fear of a team and/or player being unjustly wronged. But by using VAR to alleviate such fears, it has vastly increased the power of the authorities on the game, whilst also presuming all players are guilty rather than innocent until proven guilty. And all they need to see is the tiniest nick of a players boot and it’s enough to assume 100% deliberate intent – it’s their get out of jail free card. No context, no perspective, no common sense. They are judge, jury and executioner. But fear is quite often irrational, and so it’s unsurprising to see irrational results follow from it because fear is quite often an irrational response to reality. Anyway, enough psycho-analysis for one day…
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Tp be fair to you Pagan, you were against it. I was strongly for it. I am still for VAR in theory but I now doubt that we could ever have an implementation that feels unfair, or doesnt takes away from the atmosphere and spectacle in general. As for Salah’s penalty, I guess it serves the purpose of providing objectivity but I still don’t think they are as like for like as is needed. Maybe I need to go back and see it again but I really wasnt joking when I said that I saw this and never had any worry that a peno would be awarded. not until the ref was called over did even sit up at all. anyway, it doesnt matter I guess. we’ve got to either take this nonsense on the chin or find something else to do with our time.
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That’s a good thing to touch on actually Mikus, they should consider not allowing slow motion replays. watch it in full speed each time. Slow motion is good for “accuracy” but really awful when it comes to judging force or intent or pretty much everything besides specifics like “has X happened”.
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Mak, it’s a system that seems hell bent on ensuring it’s own demise, the laws of the game were written for a physical game that involves contact, that were to be implemented by a referee who used his judgment on incidents in the context of the game and the conditions. Unfortunately these same laws are now being implemented to the letter by a system that wasn’t even dreamed of when they were written.
VAR only came into existence because people within the game called for it, the only way it will change is if the same people either call for its removal or find some way of controlling it’s use…..Pagan
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Ya, I would be in favour of them adapting VAR and how it’s implemented, also the rules that came in to facilitate it… they just need to go. I wouldn’t want them to just scrap it because they’ve messed it up so badly but I no longer have any faith in them in this regard. I think people need to be fired, or entire sporting bodies need to be replaced. I’ve said it before and I know it’s a pretty extreme idea but the road football is going down is just unacceptable. They really are ruining the game, it’s not a dramatic statement, they really are.
I don’t know what they are going to do about it but these clowns better be hard at work drawing up changes.
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Mak, if I remember, you were for VAR as you wanted a game with no mistakes, I was against it, as the mistakes were the talking points and I didn’t want to lose them.
What we had in broadly in common was the definition of mistakes, I don’t think anyone anywhere foresaw the way it would actually be implemented……Pagan
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