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Can’t help thinking they’ll get away with it… depsite the evidence that has been leaked. Shame for the fans, as their club will never be considered “innocent” by everybody else.
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Im sure their fans couldn’t give a toss…
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How is a 100+ charges made up in the first place? Why not shrink them down so the process is easier to bring them to justice?
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Because they want them charged for each individual break of the rules.
If you murder 3 people you are charged with 3 counts of murder, not one. Three chances of a conviction and a larger sentance if found guilty of all.
PL say they have set a date now, but aren’t allowed to tell us when!!! I wonder who is kicking up a fuss trying to stop the truth being told on that one?
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What irks me is that City stopped cooperating with the investigation but didn’t have any punishment for doing so. They should have been charged as if found guilty there and then, similar to when Rio missed his drugs test.
<sarcasm on> Can understand why City didn’t cooperate, I mean it’s the normal thing to do you are completely innocent and want the World to know. It’s like “we have nothing to hide honest, but we will hide it anyway!”. Makes perfect sense for a team as innocent as their fans make out.
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Come on guys, we all know how the world works… they haven’t been found guilty of anything (yet) therefore they must be 100% innocent and all muddying of the waters by light blue wellies doesn’t count for anything!
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Yes but, they’ve just been allowed to carry on as they are. Seismic implications for example if they were suspended from the Premier League whilst an investigation was going on.
All this renders is a rack up of more Titles won by breaching of rules. The time is has taken and taking, it does not fill one with confidence when it comes to justice and levelling up.
And I can’t see (what would then be deemed as Retrospective) is Titles being stripped off.
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What else can they do (apart from speed up the investigation?)? Unfortenatly the self-proscribed innocents are so sure they are innocent they have refused to collaberate with the PL in the investigation, which means everything has taken far longer than it should have done. I would imagine the PL want to get this right, too, so they want to ensure all of their ducks are in a row before the hearing.
A lot of the pter clubs charged have actually gone to the PL and asked if what they have done is against the rules, so it is far easier for their cases to go ahead.
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There’s far too much wider implications to suspend them in the meantime. I don’t know what else can be done other than to try and quicken the process as possible. Surely though a Timeframe at the very least should be set than to drag this for years and years.
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They should be punished, if found guilty, more severely for the delay.
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Problem for the PL is no matter the outcome they lose.
City lose: the much proclaimed best league in the world has been a sham for the last 10 years. Massive can of worms is opened about lost titles and maybe more significantly, lost revenue. Questions will be asked how this has been allowed to happen for so long and of course what happens next. Potential loss of PL sponsorship money, TV rights or even court action against the PL for retrospectivly staging a false competition.
City win or get a light punishment: The PL will be determined as weak and not fit for purpose. They couldnt win a case against a team blatantly breaking their own rules! PSR will be thrown onto the fire and the likes of NUFC will try and buy every player they can. Other teams will most likely see the PL as a terrible association and look to disband and the much talked about super league becomes an even more likely scenario. Pretty much English football will never be the same again.
There’s been many nails put into football’s coffin recently but no one has hammered in as many as Man City have with their cheating.
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I’m not so sure, 3p’s…
City Lose: Everybody already knows 115 are a sham club, everybody who follows football already has a question mark against them (except for their own fans), and even if they get relegated, the PL “brand” will still be left with ManYoo, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, with a fair few other times like Villa and Brighton to name but two, keeping everybody in their toes… the PL isn’t like other certing 1 or 2 team leagues… and the PL will have shown they can stand up for sporting integrity… there might be a dent in revenue, not much if any, but I think that’s far less of a risk than the other option…
City Win (or get a light punishment like a pointless fine): This part I would agree with actually, more or less (maybe not the “Super League part!)…. but other than that…
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Good points Chucky and for sure City losing is the best result for football, but even then there will be a lot of issues for the PL to sort. City win and the game is in trouble as we know it! (Or once knew it, could argue its already far down the slippery slope!).
Frustrating as it is I can understand why it’s taking a long time for the investigation. As I said previously, once they stopped cooperating they should have been suspended until they started again. Or a point deducted for every day they don’t cooperate. Something like that…
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I think they’re doing what they can in order to banish City as far away from the PL as possible. They cant be saved by the time bar stuff, so they are toast. They are guilty and they will be found guilty and the CAS will back up their decision when City appeal it, because there will be no BS clause for them to operate under. Well, who knows, maybe they’ll find a different one. I doubt it though.
I think after this we might see them review the rules of FFP and add deeper punishments, including a permanent ban from the PL, also the lack of cooperation needs to be punishable too. I imagine that it currently isn’t, or I think they would have.
A lot of these charges are hard to prove though. They are laundering their money and I’m not sure about the extend of their legal abilities to trace all of these illicit payments and dodgy spindership deals but it seems that they have it all handled and we’re now going to have to wait a year or so in order for City to basically be kicked down into lon-league football and for every single one of their titles to be stripped and given to whomever was in 2nd place in those seasons.
I believe that there will be 3 PL titles to Liverpool, I think 2 for Utd and 1 for Arsenal, with me maybe missing out on 1 or 2.
It’s no good as a fan to have things retroactively given to their rightful owners, after so much time has passed but if they are only to be numbers on the wall at this stage then do it and be done with it. The players and fans were cheated out of celebrating and it would be a very bitter/sweet moment but it is best to just do it, instead of the suggestion that loads prefer out there to just not award a title for those seasons. Everyone is entitled to prefer that but for what little it’s worth, let’s right the wrongs as best as can be done.I haven’t caught up on everyone’s posts but I caught Mr 3 points remarks about the damage to the PL and ya, there is no way out for them really but they could have acted sooner. We have to consider the teething-in phase for FFP and also the development of the proper owner situation but they could have acted sooner than this. The huge delay only means that they want it to be water tight when they remove the entity that they have partially allowed to ruin their platform.
I do have doubts sometimes, and I brace for City getting away with it… sometimes. I think this comes from experience and being used to large entities being inefficient, or money being a passport. City have damaged the PL’s brand though and that will eventually cost them big money. It already may have. Perhaps the ever-increasing TV deals would have gone up more had City not made the PL boring in some of those seasons.
Even us Liverpool fans were sick of the 2 horse race for a few of them!Changing the subject slightly though, I will say that I’m not entirely up on what is going on with the other clubs but I don’t think I’m cool with Everton getting another 10 point deduction.
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I hate Everton and want them relegated but a 20 point deduction for what seems to be 2 small infractions?
They’ll be deducting points off everyone soon and it could be the new title-determining thing from season to season. No thanks.Especially when Everton were cooperative (so someone said) and Im not sure what Forest did but we’re relegating them for it?…
50 points is the new safety figure.
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Don’t know about the issue of re-awarding of titles etc… They’ve already got questions marks against everything anyway, and would you also have to re-award all the FA/League Cups too?
Maybe it’s because it doesn’t really make much of a difference to me, but I don’t think they’re going to do that, but I’m certainly hoping for a solution that draws a line underneath it all once and for all.
It’s dragged out far too long as it is and that, I feel, is probably doing more harm in the long run to the “brand” than whether they’re guilty (they are!) or not.
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I think they will get away with the everything. Beat lawyers and money talks
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On a subject change, don’t you just love AFCON (sarcasm)?!
https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php
There’s no way he’ll be ready for the Chelsea game or our visit to the Emirates.
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There will be a change. Don’t lose hope re City. Just have to be patient.
Lol, I don’t have a great deal of faith though as it stands, though maybe more faith than the faith of our government and the ‘STOP THE BOATS’ slogan whilst more and more boats enter through our borders. Hey ho!
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Probably, Waspy, but the death of football as we know it if they do.
I’d vote for the idea of every team just fielding the U-18’s for every game against the 115… and we give the trophy to whoever finsihes 2nd every year… 🙂
Anyway, back to footy, no real exicting games to look forward too, a bit of a London Derby but you’d fancy the goonies for that, even stuttering they should have too much for the Eagles… lot’s of “mid-table” clashes that might be good games with evenly match teams… but doesn’t put much fizz in this neutrals beanz, that’s for sure.
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