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Some very good debate tonight gents.
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Another good post Mikus and I agree. I will say though that Chelsea also bought a host of attacking talent. Jose didn’t entirely buy into their way of thinking but he found a way to make his style work all the same.
I am not saying there aren’t other factors. The mismatch between jose and Utd was definitely genuine and honestly just confounding. It was really only a kinda “more of the same” in terms of the orgy of ineptitude that spews from Woodwards time at the club.
Nine, the harness idea is only something I thought of briefly. maybe the technology would struggle over such a large surface space. That is possible but you figure that money would be no object, at least at some stage anyway. So, maybe it’s more of an idea for the near to medium future.
Anyway Im super tired and will leave it there. Night ;ads
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Rodgers to Utd. it’s a “good” suggestion in terms of philosophy and talent but.. please no. I would love to see Rodgers get the club he deserves but not Utd.
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Nobody is playing a victim here. it was a case of people always pointing fingers at City and Chelsea when it comes to spending power. and until i saw those figures i never thought United were anywhere near what both clubs have spent in recent years. so that was why i was surprised to see 5 Million only separate between United and Chelsea. and i was seeking clarification if those figures were accurate. i’m no one to play victim or moan about transfers or money spent either.
And these days no one can say they have built team with a modesty budget. your team also wasn’t far from the rest. as your figures also stated closer to 700 million.
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Mak, fabhino was having a great game up until Kantes goal. He let him
Walk through and i think Tuesdayβs night had taken its toll on fabhino. He was only back from Brazil Friday and played 90 mins againest Newcastle and put in a monster performance againest NapoliWe didnβt play well yday but we won which is the main thing. Chelsea didnβt deserve to lose in my opinion. The suns were strange from us. We didnβt press Jorginho
We alaways push our full backs inside but Alonso is a very good crosser of the mall and it was a risk as is that high line
Adrian has been a very good signing. Matip is playing better then vvd.
Absolutely massive win and a great start to the season but as we all predicted, it was a very very tough game
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I agreed with nine on Saturday after spurs game and i agree with him still. Offside is offside and I winder is that why we are playing a bit higher these days as we will get the marginal offside calls.
Fascinating listening to Keane and Jose yday.
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That’s it Sean all three goals ruled out for offside were offside based on the current rules and system.
The problem is how long it takes to make the decisions and the fact that both the players and fans are celebrating the goals only to find that when they get back to the Centre circle the goals been ruled out and I understand the concerns about how good that is for the game.
My only question mark about the Mount goal being ruled out was that it was surely scored in the second phase and a lot went on after Mount’s foot was found to be in an offside position on the video run back.
Salah had one awarded v Southampton even though VAR found him to be originally offside because someone at Stockley Park decided that it was second phase but both instances were down to human judgement and not VAR.
But nothing is more black and white with VAR than the offside decisions whether we like it or not.
Agree with you re the post match discussions yesterday involving Jose and Keane they were facisinating.
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Fell asleep!
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Strong line up – Good to see Gini start.
Adrian, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, van Dijk, Robertson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Henderson, Salah, Firmino, Mane.
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999, offside is offside, a ref canβt decide when he is or isnβt going to implement a law, you know as well as I do, eventually all decisions will be reviewed as every decision alters the course of a game, what weβre seeing now is the start of it, us old buggers will hate it but the younger generation will accept it as the norm….Pagan
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You’re not wrong with the idea of us old buggers hating it…
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Some very good debate tonight gents. And ladies,matey.Remember,Kylie and Buffy are sexy lady/girl.
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The simple solution is keep playing to the whistle: E.g. in the second half Kepa makes a save in what was again investigated by VAR (I think during to one-two with Trent).
If the ball if kept out of the net, it’s immaterial in the eyes of the attacking team, but if it goes in, then this is where the ‘whoo-haah’ is created.
Keep playing to the whistle and the rest will take care of itself through natural progression.
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Pagan, yes offside is offside but second phase is a judgement call by the Video Referee at Stockley Park in the Salah case the Video Referee in the Southampton v Liverpool game decided the goal was scored in the second phase in the Mount incident yesterday Andre Mariner who was the Video Referee at Stockley Park judged the goal wasn’t scored in the second phase that’s not the Referee deciding when he is or isn’t going to alter a law it’s a judgement call on what is and isn’t second phase and open to human error.
Sky ran both incidents yesterday and they looked very similar and the question of consistency was raised.
Maybe to completely simplify things the second phase directive should be abandoned that takes judgement right out of it and leaves it completely in the hands of the technology.
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Perhaps one way of overcoming the really narrow offside decisions that VAR is picking up is to change the offside law to the whole torso needing to be in an offside position?
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999, but it was a game altering decision, the second phase wouldnβt have happened had the assistant referee not made a glaring clear and obvious game changing error, as you said offside is offside. You canβt have the technology and then decide when and where to use it, every decision is game changing, welcome to the future….Pagan
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Pagan, come on mate let’s try and keep it sensible the linesmen clearly didn’t make “a glaring clear and obvious game changing error” and you are completely missing the point which was fully discussed on Sky with video re runs to demonstrate the comparisons of the Salah and Mount incident.
Which was utilising VAR in the Salah incident he was offside but the goal was judged by the Video Referee in Stockley Park to be scored in the second phase whilst in respect of the Mount incident he was offside and the goal was arguably scored in the second phase too but that was judged by the Video Referee not to be scored in the second phase by Andre Mariner who was the Video Referee at Stockley Park yesterday ie there was no consistency in respect of applying the second phase ruling.
Which is why I said for the sake of simplicity maybe the second phase ruling should be abandoned.
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Also in respect of the VAR rules
“the “clear and obvious error” consideration within VAR will only be used for subjective decisions — penalties, fouls, possible red cards. They are decisions which are open to interpretation, and they are also the calls that the VAR can ask the match referee to look at again on his pitchside monitor.
But offside is different. You are offside or you are not. It’s a factual decision based on the position of, usually, two players on the pitch. The same goes for the ball going out of play, it is objective and will never be judged on being “a clear and obvious error.”
The only thing that can be subjective about an offside decision is whether a goalkeeper’s line of sight has been impeded.
It’s as black and white as that. Whether it is in the spirit of the game is a different question.”
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999, VAR was brought in to correct clear and obvious errors, thatβs fact, but because we have the technology itβs being used to micro analyse. 1st phase, 2nd phase, 3rd phase is irrelevant, not calling that decision correctly has ended up in a goal, subsequently ruled out in this case, and now we have the technology to right a wrong the pressure will be on to use it in all decisions. From a governing body point of view it would be very hard to put a case against it laws wise, for the flow of the game a case could be made, but that just turns one type of controversy into another….Pagan
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Perhaps we should all spare a thought fo the many poor souls in parks football yesterday often volunteered by others to run the line often in the pouring rain and often abused by both sets of players and onlookers from both teams they’ve got no VAR to blame.?
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