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F#ck me! You’re getting caught in a matter of semantics! The term “sacked” is one bandied around by the football press and culture when in reality (legally), rarely does it happen. It has become such a cultural term in football that it has now been widely used by the managers themselves. Pagan is 100% correct. Ole was not sacked. He had his contract paid out. Nine, sometimes this doesn’t need the entirety of your contract to be paid out if both parties agree. In most cases in football where no one likes to burn bridges they do this amicably and without much conflict, rarely are tribunals involved. If club statements came out stating a manager was “sacked” you can bet your bottom dollar it would go to arbitration. Sacking someone has to involve some form of misconduct or lack of performance against very strict KPIs. Man U would not be able to claim this yet as Ole could argue he could have still achieved his KPIs (they could still technically win the PL, they are not out of the CL (yet) etc). He was shit at this point of the season in the last 2 seasons but still finished wit a wet sail and so he would point to that legally.
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But ultimately, Ole doesn’t have the choice any more of employment and being able to manage any future games. That effectively and essentially constitutes to termination of contract/services.
The contract of course from agreement will be paid out. The conditions of that with the obvious intention from the Board is that Ole’s services are no longer required.
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As I’ve said previously Foxy I suspect the £7.5m was an agreed clause in Ollie’s contract which allowed for a trouble free separation.
People can call it what they like clearly Ollie didn’t want to go and United wanted to make a change which is why Ollie has gone.
All done and dusted now what is far more interesting is what happens at United from here re Interim and permanent appointments.
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No nine, let’s continue pointlessly arguing semantics like a pedantic bunch of twats please 🤣
Bloody hell foxy, ole was dismissed and that dismissal had financial costs. Pagan made himself clear but there is no need to argue the definition of words when we have dictionaries 😀
Now you can say from a legal point of view it cant be termed as sacking, but most people on here don’t speak legalese, we speak English! Same as all the pundits and journalists which is why they all use the term sacked too.
Utd dismissed ole from his role/their employment and paid what was required to avoid arbitration or what was contractually due. Key words being “dismissed from employment”, now check an English dictionary definition of sacking.
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A point worth raising in context of this: can the Pundits hack it in the Real World?
Shearer ‘rips into United’. Well how long did he last at Newcastle?
Very easy afterwards to draw analysis and be conclusive ‘after the event’.
At the very least Ole gave it a go.
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When ole signed his new contract, a clause was he would get ones years pay if sacked before contract ended.
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Thinking about it sack is slang anyway right? and what is required to sack someone is dependent on the specific contract of employment and law of the land and nothing to do with the definition of the term itself which simply means to dismiss from employment.
For example, my contract has no time limit, its in some ways a contract for life. I have legal protection in that the contract can only be terminated based on misconduct or redundancy in which case there are statutory rights for compensation as minimum and sometimes additional compensation due by contract.
Now if I have a contract for a specific period, my employer could sack me anytime but could be liable to compensate for full remaining term of contract if the sacking was not based on misconduct/breach of contract or else there was an early termination clause.
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Lucky, you’re not saying anything I, nor Pagan have already said. He was sacked in the slang term but not in ther legal term.
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Foxy, sacking means dismiss from employment, end of.
If you can find a link that provides a legal definition to the contrary please do provide.
This is what I found
https://www.translegal.com/dictionary/en/sack/noun/
” if you get the sack then you have been dismissed from your job”
So to be clear, I am saying something different to you, I am saying OLE WAS SACKED!
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Foxy, follow this logic bud
Sacked is slang for dismissed
The legal definition of dismissed is “A dismissal is when your employer brings your employment contract to an end, thereby terminating your job with them”
Therefore Manchester United football club SACKED Ole.
End of.
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Not sure why or how this is up for debate. Utd sacked Ole.
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Lol Mak I know bud
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The terms Sacked or “You’re Sacked” in essence the English Culture. It’s accentuated.
Not so much the point of ‘dressing it up’ but “relieved of duties” or making a change at least narrates a more dignified response. There’s no gross misconduct at all, except, this particular person in holding the responsibility cannot fulfil what he is employed to do. I.e. deliver positive results consistently.
Of course “Sacked is going to be used” Where do you see it? In the Media because they’re in a selling industry themselves, having to earn a living so naturally a Headline to draw in publicity and sell their Newspapers. By 5pm, that should be on Fish and Chips, but now we have the World Wide Web which can be a Cruel Facet altogether.
The industry to be breathing in day-to-day is cut throat. The Power of Money is Dangerous regardless of however lucrative or attractive the proposition can be at the start.
Week by week you are judged. On Reflection, Ole may have relieved sooner than later. Results by the skin of their teeth have saved him. Bruno Fernandes saved him. I see a parallel to Louis Van Gaal whereby he’s been ‘saved’ last minute like a Daly Blind Equalizer.
Going Forward, there are Plusses for me on the Pitch, but changes need to be made within the Hierarchy in more than one Department. Some players also need to be moved on.
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Nil, I get that you feel bad for Ole and that is commendable, given that he’s playing for our main historical rivals but I’m sorry mate, I just can’t understand why you’re blaming the newspapers for using a term that is a correct assessment of the situation.
The Utd board held an emergency meeting because Ole was losing games left right and centre. He has been “relieved” of duties, as a result of him failing to do his job. Another way of saying this, is “sacked”. It is every bit as correct a way to describe the ending of the relationship between Ole and Man Utd.
I am in no way coming in to defend the rags, I can’t stand them but I find this to be a very strange hill to die on. There are so many other situations where they could and should be called out but this just is not one of them.
Ole was sacked. There is no melodrama attach to that. No suggestion that security threw him out on his ass. It’s a short way of describing what has happened and that’s it.
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How is this still being discussed despite the likes of BBC news going with both a headline and an accompanying article referring to the fact he’s been sacked? 😄. Lucky @ 22.36 yesterday, that’s about as clear as it can be put.
Well Zidane supposedly doesn’t want it. Poch supposedly might but not until the summer. Some odd names being thrown about like Blanc (currently managing in Qatar and not very well), Lopetegui (doing an ok job at Sevilla but a massive flop at Madrid). I can’t say any of the names we’re being linked to fill me with great joy. I’m even starting to think Poch is one of the better options and I never thought I’d say that.
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Brendan Rodgers is still the favourite at 4/1. Oh dear! That would be a travesty. Not only hire a manager deemed not good enough for our biggest rivals but hire one who is rapidly proving he doesn’t have what it takes to compete at the right side of the table for a sustained period of time. Arguably not good enough for Leicester and here he is being linked with one of the biggest jobs in football.
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Tough watch that final exit Video from Ole tears in his eyes and a quivering voice confirmed there was nothing mutual about it but we all knew that.
On the positive side for Ole with his combined compensation payment and wages he’s probably made over £20m from his 3 years at United although that might soften the blow a bit United was always about a lot more than money to Ole.
I doubt we’ll see him in a major role again.
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Think your have to hope for Poch Ed I know he’s not your favourite but overall he’s probably the best of the bunch given his PL experience and allegedly he’s SAF’s preferred candidate.
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Yeah all things considered Nine, Poch is a decent choice. I’m not even sure who I want any more. I do like the idea of Ten Hag but it’s probably just a bit too risky. By all accounts, he had a less than impressive interview with Spurs this summer and they, for whatever reason, passed on him. So maybe it’s a bit too idealistic and optimistic to think he could come in and do anything like what he’s done at Ajax in completely different circumstances.
The Athletic suggesting Steve Bruce is interested in the interim role. Is it too late to get Ole back? 🤣
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