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Adding to my comment above
Klopp walked into a right mess at Liverpool, so i dismiss your point about Klopp and the structure.
In 2016, Liverpool hired Edwards. Look at the recruitment during his time, which helped Klopp identify the players who contributed to Liverpool’s success and look at the recruitment after he left. Not many Liverpool fans are happy with the players brought in.
United lost David Gill when Ferguson retired and hired someone who clearly was out of depth. Look at the mess he made. So having a good structure does contribute in success.
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I do often wonder how successful Liverpool would have been without that structure around Klopp. Considering he supposedly didn’t want Salah or Alisson but was overruled, would they have still got that league title? I’m not convinced. That has been one of the problems for Ten Hag at Utd. There’s been nobody there to say no to the likes of Antony. Recruitment is a huge factor in terms of determining a manager’s success. The next Liverpool manager is fortunate to come into a well oiled machine in that regard and Utd are fortunately also building a solid structure there too which, imo, is more critical than whoever comes in as the next head coach.
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So, Big Arnie it is… a bit out of left-feild, and as Sweedy says, doubt there were many Micky Mousers with him at the top of their list… a lot like us with Angie I suppose which hasn’t worked out too badly for us (so far!)… still, bloody big shoes to fill.
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CM, making a name in Europe isn’t the best criteria for choosing a manager. Zidane has probably the best European pedigree of any available manager, Tuchel is also a European champion, would you want either at your club? Both are linked so maybe we get to see!
Just because Slot isn’t the most well known name (yet) in football doesn’t mean he was not the right choice. As already said, Utd have hone down the big name route several times with terrible results. Spurs appointed Ange who doesn’t have much European pedigree but I think I’m right in saying spurs fans love him due to his attacking tactical approach and personality, combined with doing good enough I suppose on the pitch.
I agree with Ed that the structure is more important than the coach. Say what you like about City and their advantages but behind the scenes they are incredibly well run. Liverpool have gone back to having the coach be more of a coach than manager with Edwards coming back (and not coincidental he comes back as Klopp leaves) and was one of the reasons Slot was chosen as opposed to Amorim.
Time will tell with Slot but I’m confident unless a total disaster the fans will give him it. Writing him off already even by rival fans is ridiculous, but i guess time will tell.
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The last 5 successful managers in the PL have been Pep, Klopp, Jose, Wenger and Ferguson.
4 of those put their name on the map with what they achieved in Europe, along with domestically. If Klopp was only successful in the Bundesliga, then Liverpool would not have hired him imo. If Ten Hag was only successful in the Dutch league, then United would not have hired him. If Jose did not win the CL with Porto, then Chelsea would not have hired him. If Ferguson didn’t beat Real Madrid with Aberdeen, then chances are United would not have hired him.
But I do agree, charisma plays a part. 4 of those had charisma and played good football. That’s why the top clubs ended up chasing them. It was also how they did away from their own leagues.
Regarding Zidane and Tuchel. Zidane has never tested himself outside of Madrid and Tuchel isn’t a bad manager. Looks like Chelsea regretted sacking him.
Klopp was already a well known name after Dortmund and I was genuinely concerned when Liverpool hired him. Regarding Arne Slot, I am just not convinced. He could end up being a success, but he has big shoes to fill and this is Edwards 1st managerial appointment in football. Good at player recruitment, but doesn’t have a track record with the managerial side of things.
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There are all over the Internet unsavory characters who love to stick the boot in and will be quick to make a point of “1 Premier League Title” in 8 years of Management.
Some would kill for that dream, but perspective is thrown out of the window. The Legacy in this moment is not looking too clever at all, irrespective of our Carabao Cup triumph.
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I do actually agree the record in Europe can be a useful indicator of the measure of a manager – particularly when the league they manage in is considered one of the smaller ones.
At the same time, I don’t think Feyenoord with the calibre of players they have could ever really be expected to win a major European competition or go really far in it no matter who the manager was. Interestingly in his first season at Feyenoord, Slot lost the Europa League Conference final to Roma. In his second season, he was knocked out of the Europa League by the eventual finalists, Roma again. And this season they again dropped out vs Roma, who again have gone very far in the competition. It’s not much to go on admittedly, but I wouldn’t call it an awful record considering the team they are.
After watching several interviews with Slot, for me it is clear he has a completely different demeanour and personality to Ten Hag. He is almost constantly smiling. I do think this is an important difference. We all remember our best teachers at school being the best teachers because they were charismatic, engaging and enthusiastic. They command your attention and make you passionate too. I’m actually quite hopeful.
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I agree regarding the charisma bit and it could have a knock on effect. But we have had managers come in with a smile and end up looking the complete opposite when the challenge arises.
One thing regarding United that rarely gets mentioned is the club has only had 3 title winning managers. considering Liverpool successful spell in the 70s and 80s, they had 4. City have had 3 since the takeover. That itself could tell it’s own story with how often the club has got it wrong.
I have relatives in Amsterdam and although they are Ajax fans(some saying this move is fairly soon for Slot), are happy for Slot because he is a likeable character….quite similar to Klopp. Regardless of how much I hate Liverpool, I always had a soft spot for Klopp because Liverpool should never have competed against City considering what they spent in comparison to City, United and Chelsea, but he literally did. That is admirable in itself.
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Maybe I’ve stumbled across the wrong place or places, but I’ve not really seen comments complimentary towards Mr Slot. Apparently he wants to bring in Dutch players and somebody also commented on how boring Dutch Football was to watch.
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