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Keita needs to score some goals this season. Also if/when Origi plays, it should be up top, never on the wing.
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I don’t think City’s fixture list early doors is as clear-cut as some may make out to be. It depends too whether they can get their key players fit and back sooner than later.
West Ham Away opening day, Tottenham at Home, Bournemouth Away. How will they fare too at places like Carrow Road and Bramall Lane? Plus, if these games are place at night on these grounds, the atmosphere will be electric.
I’d say the same for Liverpool too, I don’t think points wise, both of these teams will hit 90s.
Although I will stick by the these two as ‘The 2 Horse Race’, there will be more points dropped this time round.
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A dozen people fighting isn’t even worth putting up as news. Even then, you know that’s exaggerated, so what are we talking? 3 or 3 each side? That’s just 2 sets of friends fighting. That has nothing to do with either club on any real level. If it were 40 people then sure but it wasn’t.
“People have short memories, we were 9 or so ahead before Christmas las season & some were saying it was just a case of how many we will win the EPL by.”
We were only ever really 7 points ahead. There was a game in hand that made it 10 briefly but that game in hand is 3 points to a team, like City, so 7. Forget that though, that doesn’t mean anything when you talk about the other sides, who didn’t gain any real ground on us.
I see your point and before watching us against City, would have agreed with you. We have had F all rest, as you said but some of our players didn’t look like that. Maybe it will be something that shows later on, as the lads who got more rest, were less fit than say Salah.
Maybe he’ll burn out mid season? I hope not of course he he was on it today and if he is like that against Norwich, he’ll destroy them. The game in itself (highly competitive for a non PL match), will do us wonders and we’ve got the time to recover well before Norwich. It’s a great step into the season, especially with the bloody internationals.
It’s too much to just say ya, it’ll definitely just be us and city.. The other teams are spending and improving, it will be tougher than last season in some ways but maybe we’ll also be better in other ways? Klopp’s number 1 way of progressing is the training and even today, Ferdinand was questioning why we stuck to the off-side trap. He really missed the point. Klopp was getting the team ready. It’s more about sharpening the knives than it was on using them and I saw a lot to go with and bring into the PL season.
If someone says it’ll be the same 2 again this time and they turn out to be wrong, are we going to have fingers pointed in our faces for it, on this site? I don’t think so. Nobody is taking anything for granted.
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Nobody on this particular site even me mentioned the League Title in the breath like ‘we had it in the bag’. If anything, I was annoyed at the time with various media outlets for accentuating the 7 point lead. When there’s a cluster of matches still to play, anything can happen.
City didn’t let up and credit to them, but like I’ve pointed out before, it’s ultra fine margins, and luck or even something written in the stars.
We both are almost inseparable, and City just had that something extra. Iheanacho for example misses a one-on-one against the Keeper whilst, Vinnie completely out of the blue unleashes one and it smashes the net.
The fact that we made it to the final day from winning umpteenth games in succession and were briefly champions or in the driving seat just for a single minute makes me feel a proud LFC supporter. I am feeling optimistic after today. Maybe 2020 is our year! π
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Mak why would this one game make you change your mind, itβs effectively another pre season game, this is what I donβt get. We have been pretty ordinary in other trials & people were rightly saying the fill ins were off the pace but throw in most our 1st team for a game & opinions change. This is why I referred to last season & being ahead before Christmas, itβs a bloody long season & when weβre bringing in Origi & Brewster to fill in, which will happen esp since the top 3 have had F all rest, the moneybags are bringing on Sane etc. They are consistently at this ridiculously high level due to the money theyβve spent on building a squad to maintain that level. Spurs have spent very wisely IMO & will be as much a threat to c$ty as we will but like last season depth will count.
I love Klopp & how he develops players etc but the only way to compete in the EPL these days is to continually upgrade players & if you donβt youβll fall behind. Anyway time will tell, I hope Iβm off the mark._____________________________
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Nil 9 was one of the main ones banging on about us having it in the bag & he wasnβt alone. I had a few regular disagreements with him over it. For me We havenβt really strengthened but our main rivals have. Like I said to Threeps before I donβt think we will regress but I think we will finish further behind c$ty, there is a difference. Iβm actually confident we will get better but with other clubs strengthening their playing roster (including c$ty) I expect us to have less improvement than others.
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Thought it was a good game. City the better team in the first half, Liverpool the better in the second. Can’t take what happens in a glorified friendly as an indicator for the forthcoming season apart from it’s obvious these are two top quality teams that have a lot of respect for each other.
Oz mate, you not think it’s time to drop the c$ty thing? Seems a little school playground to be honest, along with things like Manure, Looserpool etc that I’ve seen from others (thankfully not on this site!).
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Oz, you won’t find any post from me that said Liverpool “had the title in the bag” in fact here’s a copy of my post prior to the City game at the Etihad.
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Mak, I think a draw would be a very good result for Liverpool and a win a brilliant result and probably the defining moment of the title race.I think City have got to win it to keep their challenge really alive,a draw wouldnβt imo totally rule City out but I think it would still be very difficult to reel in 7 points on this Liverpool side and to reel in 10 points would be almost impossible imo I just canβt see Liverpool losing 3/4 of their next 17 games in that circumstance. Just my opinions though mate for what they’re worth. Cheers 999”
Just a word in support on what threeps said above “you not think itβs time to drop the c$ty thing? Seems a little school playground to be honest, along with things like Manure, Looserpool etc that Iβve seen from others (thankfully not on this site!).”
Constantly refering to City as C$ty doesn’t really fit with “Footydebate.com Football debate only better” which is the strap line of the site.
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Its like Liverpool always being referred to as bin dippers! Once…OK but how do you describe others? Utd, Spurs, Chelsea?
You note Im sure that we said we would not payΒ£85m for Maguire. Somebody did with nearly half a billion of debt and minimal profits. Try Utdebt? Once ok!_____________________________
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On a sensible note. Yesterday was a draw really and that would be the advance bet.
Does anybody know actually why we played Liverpool yesterday. Cant find any reasoning from the FA?_____________________________
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Always been the case Adlab when the League and Fa Cup is won by the same team they always play the team that came second. The only other alternative would be to play the FA Cup beaten finalist but that has never happened, always second in the league.
Unless you were expecting City to play City reserves?!
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As threeps says its always been the case right back to the Charity Shield that if a team does the Double they play the runners up in the League in the Charity/Community Shield I would have thought you had been around football long enough to know that Adlab.
That aside as yesterday proved there wasn’t a better match up for the Community Shield than The Treble Winners v The European Champions.
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“Mak why would this one game make you change your mind, itβs effectively another pre season game, this is what I donβt get.”
Well that’s exactly it. On paper it might be like another pre-season game but for large spells, it certainly wasn’t played like it. Maybe it’s down to the nature of how last season went but this was no friendly. Of course, not all the 90 mins was super competitive. You could see that both teams weren’t totally fit. Then look at the fans too, the atmosphere was like a PL match.
If this match were against another side then I could see it being like any other pre-season game but we’ve got a real rivalry with City ATM and with how last season went, that ingredient along with the PL kicking off again next week, definitely made both teams give it a real go.
As for the rest of pre-season, I’m not interested in the results there. They are training matches. This wasn’t.
As for depth, you may end up being correct there man. Origi just isn’t as good when started and although he did alright, he wasn’t great yesterday. He will have to take what he did last season and run with it. As an impact sub though, there’s few better right now.
I don’t agree with you saying that Spurs WILL be as much of a threat to City as us. I would change that to a “might” be. You spend and bring in players and they’ve got to fit into and improve your team. We have already achieved that to a very high level. 97 points suggests that it’s almost impossible for us to improve and that also, very difficult to match. Now, we won’t get 97 again this season. So there is that but Spurs still have to hit their markers with these signings. So it’s definitely possible but it’s no certainty.
I’m not forgetting how close to challenging they were before running out of gas and signings might trim that away. if so, they will be 5-10 points better off, which is no joke.
Going back to us though, I think we’ll spend next summer. I don’t think it comes down to just one reason as to why we haven’t now. Combine us needing to let the finances inhale a bit and also Klopp not wanting ‘too large a squad’ or ‘only the right players’ and it’ll make sense somewhere in there.
I have spoken about my confidence in Klopp etc etc but don’t think that I am also not worrying about injuries etc.
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Thought it was a good game.
Surprised at how well we played in the 2nd half
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I didn’t elaborate on the fitness but Aussie, another reason why i got a lot of confidence from yesterdays competitive paced game was that whilst I went into it thinking fitness would be a major issue (I bet on us losing the match), not only were we good in the fitness department, we were fitter than the team that’s famous for being fit. I mean, sure both us and City are well known for this, true but City are probably considered to be the most fit team in the world and we had them in this regard.
I think I said in a previous post that this gave me confidence BUT it answered some serious questions for me. That particular fear is mostly washed away now. Obviously, I won’t be truly confident until we get Mane back to full fitness but we’ve got enough to make a good start and get the first 3 points against Norwich and that’s what really matters. We’ve got to start as we mean to go on and I think we will do that.
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Squad depth will,I think, be the key again. We played most of the season withou our top player, KDB. Spurs without Kane, Liverpool without Salah, Utd without Pogba(perhaps not!) and so on.
Last season I believe we won all domestic trophies not only because we were good but mainly due to squad depth. If we get a CB to replace Kompany we will be tough to beat but who knows we might be crap, Liverpool lost one game and still didnt win which in normal times is ridiculous.
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Oz, you’re probably aware of how I was feeling of late given by the way our preparations panned out pre-season, however, from what I saw yesterday, I’m filled with more encouragement and assurance in our strength in depth.
Lallana for example has been battling with injuries, otherwise, he can play a part for us. Ox can be like a brand new signing for us, and Keita will benefit from last season’s experience. Gomez is back too. I would love us to sign 1 Striker and that could happen still or in January, but the way we played in the second half, it’s visible evidence of City not being able to get rid of us easily.
I still think Aguero is probably the one, if not the main difference, aside the discussion of depth. I think it was Mikus who point this out as an observation of this last season.
We have to allow time and trust mate, and not to overthink it too much. Just go with the natural flow.
The Media made a ‘fuss’ over the 7 points, but I think with a out there, to me they’re just trolling or just raising the subject on the surface to sell papers or render mouse clicks online.
We just have to ignore them. The players more than ever have been there, done that, and have the Biggest Trophy under their belts. We can push on and grow.
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Lol, man I put on here a fair few ‘hints’ on how I was wanting Man City to win the FA Cup. That was the assurance in us securing the Community Shield game.
Some out there play this down, but I still hold it traditionally in the regard that I perceived it when I was growing up. Any team winning The League and The FA Cup naturally place the team finishing Runners up in the Table. That’s always been the case.
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I wonder if they will sign a Centre Back Adlab with JoΓ£o Cancelo already in Manchester ahead of completing his transfer maybe the plan is to utilise Kyle Walker in a more central position.
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