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  • #45719
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      HH : “Pagan and I have long since been anti VAR, but people have told me that it will mean more decisions being correctly called. So what, if it means crap like that I saw yesterday.”

      THIS is what I was talking about before.

      I think they’ve brought this rule in to sink VAR. The goal wasn’t disallowed incorrectly because of VAR, it was disallowed because of a stupid rule change that they brought in at the same time. They’ve removed all intent based infraction and decided to go with any handball in technical terms, as an infraction.

      VAR isn’t the problem in this situation. They seem to want a mass outcry and that will be “WE DON’T WANT VAR”… but really we just don’t want their silly tacked on re-interpretation of handball.

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      #45720
      Nike19
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        Bit fed up of Riley sticking his nose in EVERY other time ?

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        #45721
        Nike19
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          Mr Pagan, feel more sorry for Tennis players in an event of ball out or in. The racket takes a bashing ?

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          #45724
          Chucky McChuckface
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            Here we go, should that have been a peno for Sheff Utd there? Certainly heading towards goal, and certianly hit his elbow… πŸ™‚

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            #45725
            nine nine nine
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              Pagan, I think you’re probably right there mate but if Mike Riley who is Head of the Referees in the PL said they won’t be interpreting the rules in that way in the PL which is what he did say then why did what happened at the Etihad and with Wolves happen? Actually the answer might be in my last paragraph.

              I made the same point as you a while back that we shouldn’t have PL Referee’s interpreting the rules in a different way to UEFA Referees but according to Riley that’s what was going to happen.

              I don’t have a problem with Michael Oliver or with VAR my problem is with the rule itself which imo and seemingly many others is not to the overall benefit of the game.

              I don’t think anyone on here is disputing that the rule doesn’t exist or that Oliver and VAR were wrong to enact it I think what everyone is disputing is whether the rule is a sensible one for the overall good of football.

              Seemingly it’s complicated further by the PMOG judging ball to hand not being an offence if it’s in a defensive situation ie not a penalty but as being an offence in an attacking situation if a goal is scored ie the goal is ruled out which seems very strange to me. Cheers 9’s

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              #45729
              Chucky McChuckface
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                Said it before about VAR, never going to work in football with regards to matters that aren’t black or white. Now we have the rule when it hits the hand/arm it counts… full stop, so it’s now black or white. And we’ve all spotted a fair few incidents where perhaps VAR should have had a word in the refs year. There were two very blatent dives in one of the games I watched yesterday, should VAR be reviewing those or are they simply being ignored?? Just saw a very obvious “handball” in the Shef vs palace game, why wasn’t that given??

                Still think VAR sucks…

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                #45734
                nine nine nine
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                  Pagan, I agree I can’t see the sense of a different interpretation of the rules UEFA v the PL but that’s what there is. Here’s part of Riley’s thinking on it Sissoko’s a really interesting one,” Riley added. β€œIn real time it looks a clear penalty. With VAR you can actually see what he’s doing, and he’s not interested in trying to block the cross, he’s saying to the covering defender, β€˜Get over there and fill the space.’

                  β€œThat’s not a deliberate act of extending the arm away from the body. You also see the ball deflects off the chest on to the arm, and if you put everything together and apply the philosophy we do here, we wouldn’t say that was handball.”

                  I’m not against either VAR or Oliver enacting the rule he had no choice I’m against the rule itself which imo is bad for the game.

                  It is further complicated by the fact that in the PL ball to hand in a defensive situation will not be considered an offence ie should it happen in the penalty area no penalty whereas ball to hand in an offensive situation will be considered an offence and the goal ruled out as it was yesterday which makes no sense to me at all. Cheers 999

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                  #45736
                  Pagan
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                    999, where did you post go? Was going to reply….Pagan

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                    #45737
                    nine nine nine
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                      Pagan, yep that was a weird one I tried again as above. Cheers 9’s

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                      #45738
                      Pagan
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                        999, there is no interpretation of the new law, so it has to be adhered to in all leagues, it’s been changed so it’s black and white, at least the law can be changed back, however with the money spent VAR is here to stay….Pagan

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                        #45740
                        nine nine nine
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                          Pagan, rightly or wrongly there is mate as Riley’s statement confirms as does some of the decisions in the penalty area.

                          I’m not at all bothered by VAR and I think it is getting more decisions right than wrong.

                          Personally I don’t think accidental handball can be considered an offence in the offensive area and not an offence in the defensive area which is currently seemingly what is happening in the PL.

                          The rule won’t be changed imminitely my hope though that it is changed.

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                          #45741
                          Chucky McChuckface
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                            That’s the whole point that annoys me. With VAR the only thing it can prove is whether the ball struck an arm/hand or not. Nothing else. No intent or anything. So the rule has to change to accommodate this.

                            How long before it’s simply “there was contact, therefore it’s a peno” comes into effect. No mention whether there was enough contact or whether the attacker has one eye on the Oscars.

                            VAR is a joke. It’s completely bypassing bigger stains on the game.

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                            #45742
                            gjblues
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                              Well I though I’d better let the dust settle before commenting on yesterday’s City/Spurs game (and my blood pressure to return to something near normal).
                              I do like the concept of VAR but it’s implementation and use is bordering on obsessive. There is absolutely no need to review every goal. It should be like in both rugby codes, where if the referee has any doubts he can request a review, giving an ‘onfield’ decision – goal or no goal – if there is ‘clear and obvious’ reason to overrule his decision then VAR evidence will stand. I also wouldn’t be opposed to manager challenges, say one per manager per half.
                              I don’t believe either referee or linesmen had any concerns over City’s goals last week or yesterday, or the Wolves goal v. Leicester. Reviewing every goal is already meaning the explosion of emotion that comes with a goal is becoming diluted and that will truly ruin the game. That coupled with the stupid new handball rule and the ridiculous claim that offside is ‘black & white’, while some random tech guy draws lines on a blurry image, at the same time as deciding the moment the ball was kicked, is surely verging on clusterfuck.
                              Having read all the posts on this thread since full time last evening, most are in agreement -why can’t the powers that be also see this?
                              Anyway, on to the match – I thought City were outstanding from first to last whistle. On another day, we would have given Spurs a spanking beyond the 6-0 handed out a few seasons back – but that’s football. Too early in the season to be bemoaning VAR decisions and one would like to think these things even themselves out over the season.

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                              #45744
                              Chucky McChuckface
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                                I wonder how long it will be before defenders will simply try to hit the referee when under pressure… and get the free drop ball…

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                                #45745
                                nine nine nine
                                Moderator

                                  Same Chelsea team as per Wednesday night bar Mount for Kovacic.
                                  Personally I think that team deserves to start after their performance in the Super Cup.

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                                  #45746
                                  Chucky McChuckface
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                                    Desrved 3 points for Sheffield there. Not saying they were brilliant, but Palace really didn’t offer anything much going forward at all. Nowhere near as bad as Castle, but they might find themselves in trouble if they don’t pull their socks up.

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                                    #45748
                                    nine nine nine
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                                      Good to see you back posting gj the sites a better place with posters like you posting regularly.

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                                      #45750
                                      Adlab
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                                        I think this the first time that just about all agree about the new rules and VAR. The arguement that it evens out over the season is crap. We will get a reviewed decision when we are 4-0 up somewhere.
                                        Super goal there by Mount! I like this player. Bad defending Leicester,

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                                        #45751
                                        Chucky McChuckface
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                                          Very sloppy by the Foxes… but a nice finish.

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                                          #45755
                                          Chucky McChuckface
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                                            Interesting half, Foxes certainly played their way back into the game after that mistake at the beginning, and I reckon will feel slightly aggrieved to be going in 1 down. Foxes haven’t really created much but they’re getting closer for sure. Still some more goals in this I feel.

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