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  • #168582
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    So,who is worse for the eye?United,Barca,or Real? 3 absolutely crap teams.

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    #168583
    CriticalmaKCriticalmaK
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    Apparently when I ask LFC to do something they do.

    “Liverpool ask Premier League to investigate VAR decisions during draw at Everton”

    I’m taking bribes!

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    #168586
    PaganPagan
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    I’ve now watched the Everton/Liverpool game on MOTD. The Pickford challenge came after the assistant flagged for offside, and my understanding of the laws means the game stopped at that point. Looking at the challenge, yes it would have been a foul, and had the offence actually occurred during play it would have been a penalty, sending off I’m not so sure as you have to be 100% sure there was no attempt to play the ball as the double jeopardy rule applies.

    The offside at the end, well that just gets filed with the rest of the forensic off side decisions VAR has given us.

    We’re Liverpool harshly treated by VAR? I don’t think so. Was the decision around the Pickford incident handled correctly within the laws of the game, yes it was. Does a tweak need making to the laws of the game, maybe, buts that tricky, and will be all about opinions and may produce more controversy than it cures.

    Apparently Liverpool have asked the FA about the VAR decision for the offside, not sure they have to give an answer, but a precedent has already been set, technology isn’t fool proof, Hawkeye has already proved that….Pagan

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    #168587
    Nike19Nike19
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    Was never offside in the first place and we could probably argue that all day long and certainly nothing would change. I prefer the naked eye of a Linesman or Lineswoman.

    I would feel a hell of lot more confident and less aggrieved.

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    #168589
    PaganPagan
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    Nil, VAR is here to stay, you were a great advocate of it, these types of decisions happened all the way through last season, and will continue to happen whilst it’s used to micro analyse all decisions, be it offside, hand ball etc. We can’t change the rules mid season so we’re stuck with it yet again.

    My only stance on offside is possibly going for daylight between the two players, with the laws staying as they are. If there’s going to be an argument whether or not you can see daylight or not then the player is clearly offside to start with…..Pagan

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    #168590
    sean the sailor
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    Pagan, the mane offside is clearly not offside so yes we have been done by var. it’s one point instead of 3 but we have got marginal decisions are way last season mate. So I’ve no complaints, I’m just discussing yday

    Everything went for us last season. So many little things and little bits of luck, some late late goals , no major injuries some really great football and some very marginal decisions

    Now things are going wrong. Alisin injury, vvd gone for the season, absolutely trounced by villa and Thiago only here a wet day now injured.

    That’s football. We won’t win the league this season. We are conceding so many goals and it’s just a bizarre league at the minute but I’m enjoying it

    Yday was a great game. Vvd injury very unfortunate as no way did Pickford go to do him but Richardlson certainly did Thiago and that could have been a leg breaker. He needs to be banned for a while

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    #168591
    PaganPagan
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    Sean, the lines show it was offside, I argued against all the decisions of a similar ilk last season and consistently was told by posters on here that offside was a black and white decision.

    Technology is being used to make the decisions rather than an aid to make sure there wasn’t a clear and obvious error. I don’t like it and my interest in the game has seriously waned. I watch a lot of cricket and their use of technology is far better, if there’s a review then the umpire makes a soft call, unless the reviews conclusively prove otherwise then the refs decision stands. If the same system had been used yesterday, the ref would have asked the assistant what they saw and made a soft call on it, the review would have shown the position of the players and as it was so close it would have been given as the refs call, as the assistant didn’t flag I would presume the soft call would have been onside. Going back to cricket to show how that works for those that don’t watch the game, in a LBW decisions even if the review shows the ball would have hit the stumps, if it was only a glancing blow, if the umpire has given not out then his decision stands, the umpire is only overruled if it’s clear and obvious.

    Football had the opportunity to converse with other sports to see how they use the technology available, it would seem the arrogance of those at the top stopped that being done and we are now stuck, for this season again, with a system that is not being used how it should be……Pagan

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    #168592
    sean the sailor
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    The lines? The lines showed me it was on side? You going by match of the day?

    What part of him
    Was offside?

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    #168593
    PaganPagan
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    Yep, but MOTD takes the VAR feed from Stockley Park, that shows the Red line was closer to the goal line than the blue one, therefore offside. Is the system accurate enough to be that exact, I don’t think it is, frame rates, the best guess when the ball is played forward and the tolerances of how the lines are drawn perpendicular to the touch lines in order to alleviate parallax error and how accurate the lines can be draw vertically perpendicular to the playing surface to show if a part of the body is in front of another player all make the precision of how it’s being used questionable.

    The lines drawn on screen use all of the above, however the picture is taken from a camera that isn’t necessarily in line with play, that means that the picture is subject to parallax error whereas the lines aren’t.

    On top of that if two players were to stand on the 18 yard line, one on each corner they wouldn’t necessarily be in line as I can’t see the lines being marked out as accurately as VAR is supposed to be…..Pagan

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    #168594
    cityboy54
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    I’m sure Liverpool will get some var decisions go their way as well… like wise other teams…..

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    #168596
    Nike19Nike19
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    Sean that’s probably a fair assessment mate of where we are.

    I don’t think we’ve addressed the center half to accompany Van Dijk in the first place. Now a ‘double whammy’. You’re right. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong, albeit, we’re in a healthy place in the league ladder, played out tough opening fixtures and they’re done and dusted.

    2 great years with Van Dijk not being injured and blessed. Allison too.

    The Boys have experience and grit to bounce back and we seem to have our mojo back when it comes to finding the back of the net. Tremendous finishes yesterday and we did win it without Van Dijk albeit the unfortunate VAR decision.

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    #168600
    nine nine nine
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    To be fair I think it’s too harsh to judge Mane offside by millimetres because part of his body breaks the lines but those are the rules and until or if FIFA change them the VAR has to call it the way he did.

    I think it would be helpful for everyone to get clarification as to why Pickford wasn’t sent off. Did the game stop on the offside? Presumably that was why no penalty was given.

    I’m not sure whether the PL/FA will answer Liverpool even if they do it won’t change anything about the game and unfortunately Van Dijk will still have what like like a serious injury to get over.

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    #168603
    sean the sailor
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    Ye that’s it nine mate. No point complaining to the pl
    About it. What is done is done

    The injuries are the worst thing to come out of this game and no vvd and Alison seriously hinders is but on we go mate

    What happened to Chelsea yday? Started so well mate

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    #168604
    442
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    Roll up, roll up, how many goals will be banged in today?

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    #168605
    Nike19Nike19
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    Didn’t know this till a few moments ago about Rangers winning the Old Firm. Top of the League too. Well Done Steven 🙂 Hope they go the distance.

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    #168606
    CriticalmaKCriticalmaK
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    “Sean, the lines show it was offside”

    They do no such thing. Even taking the lines as they are, they are drawn from his arm, not his shoulder. It must drawn from a part of his body that he can play the ball with and last I knew, you can’t elbow the ball into the back of the net.

    Also as for needing to be sure that he isn’t trying to play the ball:


    SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

    A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

    Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.”

    “To be fair I think it’s too harsh to judge Mane offside by millimetres because part of his body breaks the lines but those are the rules and until or if FIFA change them the VAR has to call it the way he did.”

    Those are not the rules. The lines are meant to be drawn from a part of the body that can play the ball, they didnt do that. They broke their own rules and Mane wasnt off by millimeters, he onside.

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    #168607
    PaganPagan
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    Mak, the lines are drawn correctly as they see it, the line may look in the wrong position, but the camera angle isn’t in line with play and may seem to show the elbow. whether the system is accurate enough is one debate, and whether it should be used for that sort of minute detail is another, however they’ve used it to that degree all last season so that’s where we are.

    For me the goal should have stood as there’s no way you could reasonably expect the decision to be given either way by the naked eye, add to that both the ref and assistant thought it was ok. That said it’s unfortunately no different to the many others that have been ruled out previously.

    Serious foul play only comes into play when the ball is in play, which it wasn’t as the game effectively stopped with the offside. I personally don’t think it was violent conduct so that couldn’t be used…..Pagan

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    #168608
    nine nine nine
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    Sean, “What happened to Chelsea yday? Started so well mate.” Good question Sean.😊

    The first 30/40 minutes Chelsea played some gorgeous football some of the best I’ve seen from Chelsea in a long time and we really should have been more than 2 goals up but then we gifted Southampton a goal which gave them hope at ht and it was a different game in the second half Chelsea never got to their level of play in the first half and then Zouma and Kepa combined brilliantly to gift Southampton another goal after taking the lead again we should have been capable of seeing the game out but we gave away a foolish free kick in injury time Southampton flooded the box and we concede a foolish third. So frustrating.

    But the positives are the first 40 minutes and what Werner offered through the middle we’re a work in progress team but we’ll get better as the season progresses but the next two games are tough ones v Sevilla at home and United away. We just have to stop giving silly goals away.

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    #168609
    nine nine nine
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    “We thought we had nicked it at the end and then I think Sadio’s toenail was maybe offside but that’s what VAR brings. Onside, offside, it’s clear, so unfortunately it doesn’t matter the margin, he’s offside.

    “It’s always tough to take when you think you’ve won it and you are that close and things like that. But we take a point and we move on. Andy Robertson 18/10

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    #168610
    sean the sailor
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    Ye nine akways tough when you concede a last min goal

    Southampton are a decent enough team

    Have to say I enjoy watching BRighton

    It’s been a cracking start to the season

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