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  • #176210
    nine nine nine
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    Ed, to be fair as Adlab says above “The phrase β€œclear and obvious error ” comes to mind. This was neither clear nor obvious?” And as you said yourself “It could have been a penalty, yes. But to call it 100% a pen is wrong.”.

    Clattenburg is entitled to his view but as Dermot Gallagher said today on Sky that Atwell didn’t think it was a penalty in real time or on review. Unlike the penalty claim for Chelsea at OT as we didn’t even get a review.😊

    On Sky today viewers voted 60% against it being a penalty.

    I don’t remember any United players appealing for a penalty in real time I only remember a number of Chelsea players appealing for handball against Greenwood and there was no reaction in real time from Ole he was totally passive yet he was subsequently claiming it was a 100% penalty.

    I agree with you about the article I haven’t seen it but Ole claimed it was on the official Chelsea web site and it was pressurising Referees as you said I doubt Atwell was reading the Chelsea web site over his Cornflakes on Sunday morning.😊

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    #176212
    PaganPagan
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    9, are you saying that VAR should only be used for clear and obvious errors?….Pagan

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    #176213
    nine nine nine
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    I don’t discuss VAR Pagan it’s pointless!

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    #176214
    Editor
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    Nine, my point re the website was that it would be naive to think that the only way a referee could potentially be influenced by something on a club website would be by reading it on said club website. In the digital world we live in, things written on any official channel will get out into the world very quickly. The fact Chelsea wisely removed the article from their site suggests they know it was a tad questionable, if nothing else.

    Re the pen, I stand by what I said Nine. I wasn’t sure in real time and nor were the players. That’s why we have replays. In all honesty, I’m still not 100% sure. I stand by that. I stand by the fact Ole was wrong to suggest it was 100% a pen too. That said, I’m more inclined to veer towards Mark Clattenburg than I am a poll of English football fans 😁. Considering the outrage when Utd get a decision and the myth of Utd getting a “penalty a game”, I’m just not going to be swayed by a fan poll, frankly.

    It is what is is. I’m fine with us not getting it. I think it probably was a pen but there’s nothing we can do about it now. It’ll be our turn another time be on the right side of a decision.

    2 huge games coming up now for both sides with the Manchester Derby and Chelsea vs Liverpool. This will all soon be fish and chip paper.

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    #176215
    Editor
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    Speaking of which, I don’t half miss a good fish and chips! Been absolutely ages since I had that with living over here and not being able to get back with things as they are

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    #176217
    nine nine nine
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    Ed, I agreed with you re the web site article in my post above and I’m pleased the Club have taken it down on the web site. I suspect Ole has significantly amplified the article though with his comments. I regularly read the Chelsea web site and knew nothing about it before Ole made his claims.

    I’m not saying whose right and whose wrong re the penalty but given the ongoing uncertainty about the decision I guess that probably illustrates why Attwell took the decision he did.

    As you say and in keeping with your yearning for some fish and chips both Clubs have bigger fish to fry this week and going forwards. Cheers 9’s

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    #176218
    Nike19Nike19
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    I didn’t have the benefit yesterday of a still photograph. I learn that actually the ball hits the hand of Hudson-Odoi. So by the letter of the law, that should have been a Penalty to Manchester United.

    This without getting into all the other stuff that’s been talked about.

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    #176221
    PaganPagan
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    Nil, they seem to have altered the interpretation that was used at the start of the season where any contact of ball and hand was handball, so as you say the ball hit his hand, ball to hand, not hand to ball, therefore no penalty…..Pagan

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    #176222
    nine nine nine
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    Nil, seemingly there was some doubt about the part Greenwood played and as Pagan says above did it break the new handball rule? The whole incident wasn’t missed by the Referee he didn’t give it in real time he then reviewed it on the pitch side monitor and still wasn’t convinced it was a penalty. All yesterday’s fish and chip paper now though mate.

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    #176226
    PaganPagan
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    To be honest, I think it’s a massive step forward that refs are now reviewing their decisions and are saying that they’re happy with them. The bottom line is that the on field ref should be the the one that makes all the decisions, that way there’s more likely to be consistency within any given game….Pagan

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    #176227
    Nike19Nike19
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    Nine, you’re right mate. It was just a follow up from my replies on the matter yesterday. I mean, somebody like me got it wrong, but it’s more of a matter that even with the benefit of video evidence, that decision came out wrong.

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    #176228
    Nike19Nike19
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    Pagan, all too confusing now mate lol πŸ˜€

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    #176229
    PaganPagan
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    Nil, I don’t think you got it wrong more your opinion or interpretation was different to others, hence why I think the on field ref should look at all the things he may have missed in real time, I also think that the VAR should just ask do you want another look at that and not give an opinion that may affect the on field refs decision….. Pagan

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    #176230
    Nike19Nike19
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    Yeah, true Pagan. It’s all a bit of a mess at the mo, also with everything that happened with Lee Mason.

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    #176231
    Nike19Nike19
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    Fish and Chips: I can recommend one not too far away from the Tigers Ground on Welford Road; been there for years.

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    #176232
    nine nine nine
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    “The number of penalties awarded for handball since the start of last month has returned to pre-VAR levels in the Premier League as a result of referees being permitted to use their discretion.6 Jan 2021”

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    #176233
    Chelsea1967Chelsea1967
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    Good to see United get through a game without receiving a result defining spot kick. I must admit I was worried when the ref went to the monitor. His honesty is refreshing. I bet Sir Alex was somewhere up in the stand going ballistic bless him.

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    #176234
    Editor
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    Right back at you Chelsea1967 πŸ˜‰. We’re on the same number of pens so far this season (in fact Chelsea have had 2 more in all comps, but the same in the league). Worth noting also that 3 of your last 5 PL games have resulted in result-defining penalties (to Chelsea) πŸ™‚

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    #176235
    Brian blue
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    Well, as Ed pointed out, we are now in a digital world and worse off for it as far as football goes. Refs have always made mistakes the difference now is they are over analysed. I am still of the old school, let the game flow, let the Ref be a Ref and stop wasting time looking at Monitors or waiting for some adjuticators stop eating there lunch to review. Lets get back to a game of football, as simple as that. The Ref standards do need to be improved though. It is sad when you can read about more about the incident than the match itself….makes you wonder?

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    #176240
    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    I don’t think that is ‘old school’, Brian…I think that is the thoughts of almost everybody who enjoys the pace of football and now understand the realisation that VAR causes as much controversy as the any mistakes the ref made in the past but with the added problem of ridiculous gaps in play.

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