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Mak-Thats it pal,we should be vying for major titles[alongside City,Pool,Spuds,Chelsea,Arse],not fighting for the 4th.
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But has anyone so far mentioned “We’ll beat Man City at Old Trafford”?
That’s not ‘business for me’
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Just to follow on from Nine, Man Utd actually didn’t have that bad a team/squad. The main problem was a manager whose philosophy didn’t match the personnel he had (which begs the question why was he given a lengthy contract last season). Would it be too simplistic to say that all Ole has done is to play players where they should have been played? It’s a bit like putting the wrong fuel in a car. But everything is now tuned in properly. Two big questions remain then. When things start getting tough, does Ole command enough authority in the dressing room? And how strong is he tactically? Those will dictate whether he lasts a long time. And it’s far to early to answer those questions.
When Dalglish took over from Hodgson at Liverpool, there was a very similar effect. Old player comes in – fans love him, he lifts things by playing a bolder style of play and wins the League Cup a year later (our last piece of silverware!), as well as finishing runners up in the FA Cup. So you look at that and think it was very much the right decision. Yet he was sacked just a few months later with the team finishing 8th in the league. It’s a very interesting and almost endless discussion as to what would have happened had the club kept Dalglish and whether the sacking was the right decision or not. I’ve often pondered on it and have changed my mind several times over it because there are several different factors to consider (and we actually went backwards defensively under Rodgers no matter how much exciting the football may have been later on). But my overriding thought at the time (and still is now) was that tactically speaking, I thought he wasn’t quite good enough. And I think that was what cost him. And interestingly that’s what also cost Rodgers – but under Rodgers I think there was a clearer philosophy/identity which was better understood by the players and hence he did better (in the league anyway, which is a better measure of judgement).
So without knowing whether Ole has got these other qualities is not yet clear and the board will simply have to wait and see. Or do they take a bold decision to bring in a more proven/established name? It’s all about having good judgement and the conviction to go along with it. The safe, more popular decision will be to keep Ole. Doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the best decision.
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Nobody seemingly wants Liverpool to win anything in a nutshell from what I see, all quarters.
There’s always a dampener. It has been in 20 plus years and in snide and ‘secretly’ Chelsea/Man City caught up – having fed constantly FFP reminders whilst Conte and every other next guy stealing the title.
Pretty grim, but penny on every Human Being drops. Would love some support for Liverpool having not won a trophy for 7 years.
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Good post Mikus. I think the board are in a position now where they have no choice but to appoint Ole, whether or not they feel it’s the right decision in the long term. That’s always the risk with these kind of appointments. Imagine if he does comfortably get top 4 and the good form continues then they let him go. There would be uproar.
Personally, I don’t think he’s right but I also think he’s earned the right to try to prove me and others wrong. If it turns out to be wrong, so be it. But nobody would begrudge him being given the chance now. Also, it’s not as though we’re passing up the chance to get another big name in by giving Ole a shot. Allegri is probably the only one we’re missing out on which we could end up regretting but we could also end up appointing Allegri and regretting that, too. There are no guarantees so why not give him a chance I guess.
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We’ll have Ox back. Observation; here there and anywhere, I’ve not actually seen a Non Liverpool wish Liverpool well in winning a League Championship for the first time in 29/30. Must be a very bad time in the world I’m living in.
We’ll try each game our best.
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Agree Ed, I think the circumstances/environment have probably now taken over everything and hence he’ll get the job. Allegri *may* be the better bet, but if he came in the summer and had a stuttering start, the pressure would then ramp up considerably, particularly after you’d just disposed of someone doing a good job.
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Nil give it a rest. Why on earth would a non-Liverpool fan wish Liverpool the best. As a Utd fan, I’m much more likely to wish Liverpool anything but the best. Few actually care who wins the league beyond their own team. That’s just the way it is
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In the end the best team will, over 38 games, will win the League. It will be Liverpool or City and it might go to the last game.
Current odds
Premier League WinnerView all odds
Man City8/13.
Liverpool13/8.
Tottenham250/1.
Man Utd500/1.On that basis Get a £5 on Spurs?!
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Ed, not sure in ‘giving it a rest’ when I’m not here frequently against certain in stone others. Why would I want to wish Man United anything, you tell me? So don’t in future any others behold it against me when I don’t want certain teams to win and make it vivid.
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Adlab, I struggled in famine on message boards because for 12 years in posting, I have not won anything albeit One League Cup whereby that was simply served like tracing paper. Nobody cared.
I just want Liverpool to win the League Championship. I don’t care about how good Sports is. They are ingrained day-to-day reminders in what Liverpool haven’t achieved and it hurts and I have to live with that as a Liverpool Supporter and a liker of Football.
I just want trophies, that’s it.
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Seriously Nil you need to stop all this nonsense we’re heading down the same path as before.
Nobody on here has wished anything bad towards Liverpool and the title will go to the team that deserves to win the title be that Liverpool or City.
Liverpool are in with a great chance of winning it and whatever anyone says on here good or bad won’t make a haporth of difference either way anyway.
Just sit back and try and enjoy Liverpool’s challenge for the title.
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Appointing Ole full time might be a risk but whoever anyone appoints is a risk. I think Ole really deserves the chance to see where he can take United next season.
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Not a question in any path Nine just experience and not a good one. People like me are supportive and will offer kindness even to a Team that’s made my Life a plain misery for 25 years. In short, just saying. Be nice just for a change in exchanging post with a fellow LFC Supporter in positivity. That is all. Nothing else.
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Never any nonsense.
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Nil, I don’t really care who wins the title mate and I doubt anyone else on here outside of those that support Liverpool and City care either.
From a neutrals pov I would like to see it being a great race for the line and that the best team over the 38 games wins it and if that’s Liverpool I will be one of the first on here to offer my congratulations and I suspect that’s how most of the non Liverpool and City posters feel about it on here
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“It’s a very interesting and almost endless discussion as to what would have happened had the club kept Dalglish and whether the sacking was the right decision or not. ”
It’s hard to talk about “sacking” someone when it’s KD. I only became a proper fan in and around 12/13, so everything he did was before my time but looking back, it’s clear that he’s a big part of the soul of the club and we’re not just talking about a big personality or a player who happened to be hugely successful during a golden era.. This is a given right? Well, I mention this because I was in favour of KD leaving Liverpool.
I can’t communicate the specifics as well as I would have back then and I know that most fans disagree with me on this but our football under him (once the honeymoon wore off of course) was just awful. We had no real style that was worth talking about. I found the football that we played to be reasonably effective but to be just boring and one dimensional. I think I put way too much credit in what we might have been, because it was a legends in charge again and all that came with it.. but the football was just terrible. Ya, we won a cup and made the final of the other but we were lacking of fluidity, creativity and I’m not sure that we gained a single thing in sacrificing them.
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“We’ll have Ox back. Observation; here there and anywhere, I’ve not actually seen a Non Liverpool wish Liverpool well in winning a League Championship for the first time in 29/30. Must be a very bad time in the world I’m living in.”
Absolute fucking nonsense Nil. Only days ago and on here did someone say that they hoped Liverpool would do it.
“Ed, not sure in ‘giving it a rest’ when I’m not here frequently against certain in stone others. Why would I want to wish Man United anything, you tell me? So don’t in future any others behold it against me when I don’t want certain teams to win and make it vivid.”
Nil, this is word salad.
“People like me are supportive and will offer kindness even to a Team that’s made my Life a plain misery for 25 years.”
As Nine said, this is heading down the old path but the important thing for you is that no, you aren’t some generally supportive fan. You are quite anti- other clubs. I can’t think of any other person across both websites who is less supportive of other teams. I mean i think I get it, you had too much to drink.. you blacked out and said a load of shit that is actually a really twisted representation of what you actually , fundamentally think. I hope so anyway.. I mean, if not then why would you be here? so i must be right.
Now, as much as I have complained here, I am actually reasonably ok with it and I’ll hope the others listen to this last bit because it’s not easy to break a bad pattern. It is easy to be reminded of one, though.
Habit is a killer when your entire survivability is dependant upon habitual mechanisms like muscle memory and neural pathways. We are what we are, many times and that’s what it takes to gain a a trait and the same again to lose a trait. (it takes many times… repetition.)
For me, if someone is genuinely trying and they can show a reversal of a certain negative pattern then I mean be more willing to give them some slack. In your case Nil, I think your old pattern would have been to have situations like this, pretty much every week or 2.
You’ve shown a lot of progress since you came back and although you’ve slipped back down into that here tonight, I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and I’m writing all this in the hopes that the others will take this on-board and not just consider it as a return. We all have our bad nights and a set-back can be only that, before a return to going forward.
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Really looking forward to the north London derby,hoping for a few goals.
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