3rd December 2018 at 5:03 pm #28876
Chucky, not saying he can live off those achievements forever. I’m merely making a point about the irony in saying “imagine if x manager had that money” when they would have that money if they could come close to doing what Jose did with the clubs he did. Poch, for instance, has a much better side than that Inter or Porto side. It would be like Poch winning the CL twice. Instead, ironically the closest he’s come to a title is behind a manager who spent even less at Leicester!3rd December 2018 at 5:06 pm #28877
Yeah he’s definitely not been good enough at Utd HH. But that’s one job. Even then he won 2 trophies in his first season before it turned sour. He’s won trophies at every single club he’s managed.3rd December 2018 at 5:25 pm #28879
Eddy, if we’re playing by those rules, and history isn’t all that “important”, I’m going to suggest Brain Clough is a far better manager then, as Maureen has won promotion, won the title, won the European Cup in three successive seasons… 🙂
My point, agreeable or not, is managers like Poncho and Co, over the last couple of years, have outperformed Maureen considerably, on a much lesser budget. Comparing Poncho2017 vs Maureen2004 is a bit like comparing Mike Tyson and Mohammed Ali… we’ll never know…3rd December 2018 at 5:37 pm #28880
Good shout in your first para! Was I supposed to disagree? 😉
You say “outperformed considerably”. What are you measuring that on? Personally, I’d argue Spurs have a better side than Utd at the moment and if my calculations are correct, Jose has 2 more trophies than Poch in the time they’ve both managed their sides. You’ve finished above us once. Us above you once.
On who has the strongest side, how many of our players would you swap for yours? Assuming you think Jose has done a worse job than Poch with the players each manager has available, I’d presume you think we’ve got better players. Genuinely intrigued as to how many of our lot you think would get in your team. If like me, you think DDG is the only dead cert, then you have to ask who has actually done the better job IMO in terms of utilising the players available.3rd December 2018 at 5:56 pm #28881
AlfieParticipant77 pts3rd December 2018 at 6:12 pm #28882
Eddy, but now you’re comparing apples to oranges!! 🙂
If Poncho had that squad to start with (the YooUtd lads) and 400 million quid to spend, I very much doubt he’d be 16 points behind the leaders after 14 games…
If Maureen had last years Spud squad and signed NO players what so ever, I very much doubt he would have led them to their best ever start to a Prem season…
Oh, I’d have Doughnut Theif, possibly Shaw (our LB’s really are shite at the moment!)… would like one of your CM’s but I can’t stand Pogba, Matic from last year (I think his legs have gone this year!), maybe Martil…3rd December 2018 at 6:14 pm #28883
Mikus 3rd December 2018 at 3:53 pm
Right, I see now and ya I agree with all of that.
Ed “Utd have spent terribly for a long time, so it wouldn’t be all that surprising to learn that Mourinho has had little say on who comes in. ”
We can’t say for sure, as you say… but I would be really shocked if anyone could arrive at Utd without him at least signing off on it. He’s been around long enough to know all about the potential pitfalls involved. I think it’s safe to assume that the rules in place are not too dissimilar to the ones at all the clubs he’s won titles with.
“I also find the “imagine if [insert overachieving manager’s name] had the money [underachieving manager] has had” completely pointless. ”
Rafa Benitez is an overachieving manager? It’s quite the opposite. He could and would be challenging or winning trophies at a top club but is instead keeping a rubbish team in the PL. He’s doing all this with a penny pinching owner. Honestly, newcastle have no right to be in the PL if it wasn’t for him. overachieving sheesh. That is a little bitterness there now.3rd December 2018 at 6:55 pm #28886
Makaveli, I think you’re mixing up the word overachieving with overrated. If he’s overachieving, that’s a good thing 😁3rd December 2018 at 7:09 pm #28887
Chucky, so at a push you’d have 4 of our players, with one of those being doughnut thief over drink n drive 😁. So, really Poch should be doing a better job than Mourinho considering the players he has!
Yet there he is, with 2 less trophies to his name.
I actually think Jose might have done better with that Spurs side. Best striker in world football and probably the best defence in the league. That’s a defence Jose would love. Poch has not once shown he had the ability to win trophies. Jose has shown he has the ability to win trophies with a lower budget than his competitors. I know which one I’d back. Besides, Poch is well documented to have said he doesn’t care about the cups. With that attitude, he wouldn’t last long at Utd!3rd December 2018 at 7:16 pm #28889
Yeah Alfie I meant more that his whole tenure appears to be turning sour rather than last season.
I don’t really understand it either. His record is, at worst, the second best in the game. He won the league in his last job with far from a vintage Chelsea side and before that broke records galore at Real against probably the best club side the world has seen.
People agree this is the worst Utd squad for a long long time so I’m not sure what everyone expects. We’ve spent tons of money but all that says is that we have bought poorly. Our squad is still miles behind the top sides, as evidenced by the fact few of our competitors would swap many of our players with theirs. I honestly challenge anyone who thinks differently to tell me you’d take more than Chucky’s 4!3rd December 2018 at 7:19 pm #28890
At the end of the day, we’re never going to really know, and having spent 400m on players in the last couple of years, I would think every YooUtd fan should be expecting more, considering Maureen’s CV…3rd December 2018 at 7:26 pm #28891
Chucky in terms of return on investment, absolutely! In terms of squad strength, not so much.3rd December 2018 at 7:31 pm #28892
Which brings us back to the argument on what Poncho may have achived with 400m instead of the 4.50p and a bag of monster munch… 🙂3rd December 2018 at 7:41 pm #28893
😁 I think I’m done for tonight. In all seriousness, I’d like to see what he could do with more money. He’s done a decent job at Spurs. I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you seem to think though. It’s an entirely different job when you’re managing multiple very expensive players, keeping them all happy, managing the press, managing expectations. If it was as simple as overachieving being a simple linear equation, Real Madrid would have already snapped up Sean Dyche.3rd December 2018 at 7:46 pm #28894
Without wanting to discredit Poch’s achievements, it’s quite a stress-free job he has. He doesn’t have to care about the cups. He doesn’t have to win anything. He’s got the best striker in the world, the best defence in the league, a world Cup winning keeper. Over achieving isn’t always difficult. Moyes did it for years. People were constantly saying Moyes would be very good with more money as he hardly spent anything and was always around top 4. We all know how that went.
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