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    gjblues
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    Nine, fyi, United have the biggest wage bill in PL.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46341672

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 5 days ago by  gjblues.
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    Editor
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    How have City managed to get some of their wage bill to be reported under the City football group if that BBC article is true? That sounds a bit dodgy! Utd definitely the side getting the lowest return on their investment in World Football I reckon!

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    Adlab
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    It is often the case that items are paid via a holding company. Same as Utd do. Its quite normal and I would assume its all taken into account. In our company certain bonuses were paid via the holding company to avoid busybodies!!
    But as we have said a lot of inuendo and no facts. Bit like Brexit!

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    Adlab
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    Against Lyon we are lucky to be still 0-0. They could easily be 3 up!

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    gjblues
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    Yes Adlab, we certainly rode our luck in the first half. Not sure Sterling in a more central role is working and both Sane and Mahrez have had no effect at all so far. Laporte has been superb, as he has all season.
    Still, we can only get better…………..hopefully.

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    Alfie
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    Ed – around £40m of image rights were ‘sold’ to a separate company, according to De Speigel, for Man City. That is not included in the City wage bill as the company is not part of the group. It seems to be a sham company which cannot make a return and appeared by the auditors, if the article was true, to to be solely set up to hide costs.

    City also offset hundreds of background staffs wages by transferring their contracts to sister clubs. This was widely reported some time ago and, again, lowers the wage bill of City as a result.

    Also, some City staff were paid a large chunk of their salary by a Middle Eastern football club under the guise of a consultancy role or similar nonsense – according to der Speigel. Again this would not be included in the financial accounts.

    For clarity – Man Utd do none of the above.

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    nine nine nine
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    gjblues, seemingly those figure have only just been released and United have now moved ahead of City a reversal from last season but my point still stands City pay their players handsomely and aren’t really in a position to criticise anyone else.

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    gjblues
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    I wasn’t criticising anyone, Nine, just pointing out a fact.
    I know which team in the PL is getting the best value for money for the wages they pay and that’s all I’m bothered about.

    #28548 Score: 0

    Oz Yob
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    Haha I’ve got to laugh at you c$ty lads, hopefully we can get better, we should’ve been 3 down, lmfao.
    Quick tip folks but don’t tell anyone, c$ty will win the EPL in a canter & will go close to the C/L as well. I’m more chance of a 1 night stand with miss universe than anyone is of beating c$ty to the title.
    Already ahead in the EPL & will finish top of C/L group all whilst missing arguably your best player & with Mendy & Bernardino to come back in. No one else has the luxury of all these top players to rely on.
    This is why I say the EPL isn’t a title race, it’s a race for the remaining 3 C/L positions. Yeah you’ll say oh your just throwing in the towel, anything can happen or whatever, it’s being honest & telling it how it is.
    Outside c$ty it’s a very interesting competition with Liverpool, spurs, chelski & Arsenal all looking good for a shot at the C/L positions & the bluenoses & manu hanging in there. To even suggest another winner in the EPL is just amusing though.

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    nine nine nine
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    gjblues, there’s been a continuous campaign on here against United over the Sanchez signing waged by certain City fans maybe it’s just banter but you had an input too.

    Even United fans agree that the Sanchez deal was over generous but that’s what significant players can negotiate at the end of their contracts when they leave on a free and or leave on a vastly reduced fee in comparison to their real percieved value in the transfer market instead of going to the selling club it goes to the player.

    I’m not sure any of us should be defending the wage bills of our Clubs it’s all gone to a ridiculous level imo and all of City, United and Chelsea are the worst offenders we’re all living in glass houses and shouldn’t be throwing stones imho.

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    Makaveli
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    Nine, even knowing that players at the end of contracts can get more wages etc etc, I was still shocked to hear what Utd gave him. I never confirmed the figures because I don’t care enough but my eyebrows were definitely raised. With that though, it is definitely a bit rich coming from city and you are right of course, it’s gone mad in general. That’s capitalism though and not even the really bad side at all.

    Aussie, I know how you feel man. It’s the weirdest thing ever for us to be in a record holding high position , points wise and to know that it will most likely be futile. I don’t just put it down to money though. I mean, money is potential and the more of it you have, the more potential you have. I had a theory about Pep. That theory was that he’d be found out in the PL. I was right*. By right, I of course mean that I found out just how good he is. He gives an incredible return on the vast potential that he wields. Take a look at the potential that Utd had and where that lead to… The same goes with Klopp. His signings and tactics could have gone horribly wrong.

    To come extent we’ve got to concentrate on ourselves. We’ve got to keep winning and developing. We have more potential yet to extract from this team, 100%. City might go the season undefeated when there’s very little chance of us doing the same. I say that but we’ve both only conceded 5. I guess you need only look at the close call with Chelsea and City to see why I think we can’t do it.

    We may have to though! That’s why you’re despondent and I totally get it. The media are already talking about the psychology of the situation. Pep has already said that City must keep winning, or Liverpool win the title. He has said those words. So, he’s thinking about this and you know his players are too. If we keep winning, these thoughts start creeping into their heads as they eat cereal in the morning.

    We haven’t lost yet, all we’ve got to do is carry on getting these kind of results and you never know. One red card for City, one bad performance and we’re in their heads as they try to sleep.

    Not expecting us to do it is a great weight off our shoulders. We definitely have the psychological advantage when it comes to the early and middle times. It’s in the late game where this will flip but to even get there, we’ve got to win the other times 😉

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    Adlab
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    Nine I totally agree. Wage levels are stupid but understanable. Anybody with any basic understanding of economics will understand. What workers get paid in a free market is determined primarily on revenues and profits of the firm that employs them. Generally other parts of the wage theory is that if you raise the salary of the last employee you will have to raise it for all.
    Also if you try to interfear in the market that market becomes disfunctioal. ….FFP etc.

    Bottom line ITS OUR FAULT. We subscribe to Sky and BT as do those from overseas. I take the point that all this is a statement of the obvious hence there is no point us moaning except on moral grounds.
    One of the oldest basic essay questions used to be why does a pop star get paid more than a brain surgeon or why does x in a vital job get paid less than y in a non vital job. In the end its about revenues added to the firm. There are also some non monetary aspects.

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    Adlab
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    PS
    Alfie one of the most famous HMRC cases was in respect of image rights paid by Utd to a company set up in the IOM to “employ” Wayne Rooney. Ditto with Gareth Barry. Perfectly legal but highly questionable. The upshot wax that they paid 2% tax on this.
    Looking at Wayne Rooney…..image rights…no Brad Pitt!

    #28564 Score: 0
    Alfie
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    Adlab, you are missing the point. I am not questing the legality of what City did. I am saying that the image rights are not part of the City accounts, and that the £260m figure the BBC quote is therefore not comparable with the figure for Utd – as Utd’s does include the image rights (and also the hundreds of background staff also employed by the club). You are not comparing apples with apples.

    You have brought up wages and tried to score points off of the back of it, I’m just correcting you.

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    Oz Yob
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    Mak I used to have a theory on Pep as well, that being he only manages clubs with the most money. That was until I watched a video on how Klopp came up with a plan to beat c$ty & Pep figured out what he was doing so changed his tactics to combat it. He is one smart cookie & when u combine a genuine top manager like him with a squad others can only dream of & unlimited funds, there’s only going to be one winner of the EPL for the foreseeable future.
    I know the c$ty lads on here are trying to downplay it & are not getting ahead of themselves but reality is they are not likely to be really challenged in the near future. Maybe only concentrating on the C/L could do it but their squad is so big in quality I don’t think even that will halt their dominance.

    Makaveli
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