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I also always said that only the feet must count as offside, not armpits or hands or noses. That would simplify matters and basically its only feet that give an offside player any advantage.
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Oh my goodness.
I rest my case.
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Var too Pedantic on Keepers being disciplined too the line on Penalties. Feel for Fabianski even though I want Leeds to win.
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Why do we need VAR when a penalty is taken? The assistant has one job, let him do it…..Pagan
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Ya, I’ve already seen some absolutely crazy penalty calls, with the keeper barely moving off it as it’s being taken. I hate the way it’s all going, you know that?
Blaze, I agree regards the feet. why on earth have they not gone with this? It seems really obvious, yet they had to make it really strange.
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Mak, thems the laws, any part of the body you can score with, let’s not start changing any more laws to suit VAR, don’t forget 99% of footy is played on a park…..Pagan
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It’s just turning too regimental. The space for a Keeper to manoeuvre is different in a penalty scenario compared to the actual Taker; he remains to have the freedom.
Keepers have not been used to this ‘code of conduct’.
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Nil, however the advantage should be with the taker, after all it is a penalty….Pagan
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Pagan, that’s like me saying the notion of the Offside rule should be in favour of the attacker.
The point I’m trying to make is that some players do fancy run ups or add trickery so the Keeper is fooled. Under the old ruling, the Keeper would be able to come out just a tad, make a save and the Ref wouldn’t think anything different in relation to infringement.
As now as if the Keeper has to be glued onto the line, and the Penalty Taker effectively has a free hit.
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Nil, I’m not sure you’ve grasped the concept of crime and punishment.
In a penalty it’s the attacking team that have been wronged, therefore the defending team take the punishment, that is to say the penalty taker should have the advantage.
In offside it’s the defending team that have been wronged, therefore the attacking team take the punishment, that is to say the defender should have the advantage.
As far as penalties go, it’s only recently that a goalkeeper could actually move, not so limping ago they had to stay still until the ball was kicked, it as then changed so he could move side to side, they have never until the current ruling been able to move forwards…..Pagan
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We’ll have to agree to disagree Pagan. I do think the ‘crime and punishment’ is a big strong to emphasize somebody being caught offside.
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Nil, well maybe a bit strong, but a crime is when you break the law, and after all football has laws not rules🙂🙂….Pagan
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Pagan, just seen an example from the Man United game where those lines did in my view supported a correct decision-making by the way of Rashford’s front foot being slightly ahead.
This is encouraging and positive, but it’s the armpits and other body parts they need to get rid of for me.
Cheers
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See the fairness var brings to the game, ref gives a penalty which by the way was very soft but var picks up a clear offside which the officials did not.
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Nil, I think you need to go back to when the laws were written and understand why they were written that way. I’ve reffed matches as have both my kids,I’ve also run the line countless times. Teams wear different coloured kits, stockings, shorts, jerseys are different colours, this is not only for the players benefit as they would probably only have different coloured jerseys, but also for the ref and lino (as they were) when looking across the line your just looking for which colour is in front. Whilst VAR would probably like the feet to be used as it’s probably prone to less error the laws of the game are written for the whole game, in the laws of the game VAR is not prescribed, it’s just approved for use, it’s the competition rules that insist on its use, remember 99% of footy is played on a park and the laws of the game have to be written to cover all footy…..Pagan
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A Linesman would be suffice then Pagan?
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Nil, a linesman and a ref…..Pagan
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So We’ve had two red cards overturned in the last week, both these cards were given after a VAR review, it sort of defeats the object of having it in the first place. The West Ham one at the weekend was farcical, I’ve yet to meet anyone who’s had any other opinion than the player was trying to lift his arm over the defenders and accidentally caught him with his elbow, quite how the ref saw it differently is beyond me……Pagan
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Just looked at it Pagan as I hadn’t seen it yet. I think the key problem now is that *any* kind of contact to the face of an opponent will immediately grab the attention of the referee who knows such things can be straight red cards. So the context of such a thing will play second fiddle because referees don’t want to be seen to give potentially serious incidents a free pass. Then you have a VAR review in slow motion which always makes things look worse. So as we’ve seen with other instances with regards to VAR, context often gets overlooked because as I’ve said before, such decisions are made based primarily on fear of not punishing a potentially serious foul. So I wouldn’t put the blame completely on VAR, I’d blame this culture of fear which paralyses thinking, context and common sense. I’m not sure what can reverse such a culture now.
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