9th January 2019 at 10:34 am #31140
You really come across as a very angry person Paxton
It’s great spurs fans are so great and so well behaved.9th January 2019 at 10:43 am #31141
You do seem to have a real chip on your shoulder recently Paxton. I’ve always liked you as a poster but this anti-Chelsea agenda is wearing a bit thin now. There’s not a club in the league that doesn’t have a bunch of absolute idiots amongst their fanbase9th January 2019 at 10:51 am #31142
Hawkeye or birds eye has to be essential to VAR.
Regarding goal line, if they are going to be pedantic or clinical on every millimetre then those while lines/markings have to be dead on as with positioning of goal frames.
A disservice and injustice when from the human eye, one can see from one camera angle the ball in the goal mouth only for it to be ruled out by millimetres.9th January 2019 at 11:06 am #31145
In my previous carreer, I used to be a precision engineer, specializing in rotary tooling for the labeling and printing industry, and we used to guarantee our tooling down to a 1/100th of a millimetre or 10,000th of an inch (for the US market!). Of course, utterly fucking ridiculous that we’re talking about trying to get the same accuracy on a sodding football pitch. Sometimes your team gets the call, sometimes not, that’s part of the game.
As I already mentioned, we’ve seen one team already show up with “alternative video”, already setting the precedent for other teams to do so, and if we’re already arguing about VAR decisions, a system designed to stop the sodding arguing about the decisions in the first place, then quite frankly its already failed and should be scrapped.
#VARSUCKS9th January 2019 at 11:40 am #31146PaxtonSpectator68 pts
Sorry Ed. My bad. Racism in FOOTBALL shouldn’t be discussed on here, a FOOTBALL forum. Or is it only racism involving Chelsea shouldn’t be discussed. Is there a quota of racism topics involving each team that are allowed? The reason it’s been mentioned so many times about Chelsea is because it’s happening so many times involving Chelsea. When it happened involving spurs, I was the one that brought it up and I will do so if any spurs fans do it again. Lucky it appears that was a one off, whereas with Chelsea it’s regular, hence they have a reputation as being a racist fan base. I will continue to report it as I feel it is important. Shame others on here don’t feel it’s a conversation worth having. No wonder the problem won’t go away.9th January 2019 at 1:06 pm #31147
Chucky, get your example ‘re precision engineering mate. Like with Aerospace, there is no room for mistakes.
I don’t think matters helped yesterday with Saari having to show officials a different interpretation from another Camera angle.
VAR is used to be nothing but accurate yet so far, it’s just adding to our existing challenges.
These calls too mate are fine margins but impact the outcome of the result.👍9th January 2019 at 1:23 pm #31148
The thing is cyber chum, as is it’s the same for all teams. You’re going to win some, you’re going to lose some, but it’s the same “chance” for everyone.
Another drawback for VAR, is the rules of football are going to need to be drastically altered.
Salah’s flop agasint Newcastle, would VAR do there? Naturally that, I would like to think, would be a yellow card for Salah…. but how hard does a tug on the shirt need to be for it to be a penalty? How is VAR going to determine that? Was the tug enough to actually pull a player over or not or how much was the player “milking” it?
The same with the Sir Harry Peno last night. I think Harry could have avoided the goalie if he wanted to, but he didn’t, he nudged the ball way past and took the hit (cough). In my mind, those shouldn’t be peno’s either as no effort was made and Harry was clearly trying to “win” the penalty. Or are we simply going to go black and white, and say VAR is checked to see if there was contact, no matter how minimal, and the peno automatically given? The game is getting pussy enough as it is!
We’ve already had one press conference with “alternative video”… how many more do you think we’re going to get?
Do you remember the farcical game last season between Pool & WBA in the FA CUP when the first half had the 3 peno’s and lasted 54 minutes (or something like that! 🙂 ), that was highly entertaining but ruined it as a game of football.
I love “Matrix”, but it ain’t football.9th January 2019 at 4:27 pm #31149MoosParticipant26 pts
What more can be said clear offside in both versions. Find it amazing that officials appear to be so incapable of making a correct decision. It’s not VAR that’s to blame its the people managing it. Technology in sport is not only here to stay but here to spread, want be long when the game is officiated without human officials.9th January 2019 at 4:59 pm #31150
Kane was going down already. He plays that well and I’m not messing.9th January 2019 at 5:09 pm #31151
Paxton, thanks for the sarcastic reply. I’m not quite sure what makes you think I want to block any talk of racism in football. Far from it. However, there’s raising concerns about these problems and there’s sticking the knife in and your posts very much fall into the latter category.
“Chelsea fans can fill a plane to Poland with all their racist fans”
“I heard Chelsea are in for Wayne Hennessy” a poorly disguised reference to the Nazi salute.
Let’s not pretend you’re looking for a serious debate about racism in football. I’m not even sure what the debate is, considering we’re all in agreement that it needs to be kicked out ASAP. As for your post about the banana incident, you were quite careful there to put quotation marks around the word fans, an obvious attempt to distinguish these idiots from the actual fans, something I agree with but something you’ve never done in referencing the fan problems at Chelsea.
“unfortunately one of the “fans” decided to take it upon himself and tried to take football back to the 80’s by throwing a banana at aubameyang”9th January 2019 at 5:22 pm #31152
Come on Wasplicker, need some Gummy Bears to wrestle? 🙂9th January 2019 at 5:46 pm #31153
No seen it a few times, like the liveroool one last season, ready to go down.
It’s what Michael Owen started doing years back and others have followed.
It’s a certain pen but he knows what he’s at9th January 2019 at 6:38 pm #31154PaxtonSpectator68 pts
Ed – I used the “fan” when referencing the spurs fan because it was a completely isolated incident. The problem with Chelsea is it’s ingrained in them. There are incidents involving them on a nearly weekly basis, not just anti Semitic but nearly always racist and not a single person on here says a word. If this happened with spurs fans every week I would accept there is a problem with racism within the spurs fan base. 999 even admitted to singing racist songs aimed at Jews and no one batted an eyelid. He also tried to defend a song referencing “tottenham are a bunch of yids” saying it rhymes with Madrid and is part of a song, not a chant. Well I suppose it can’t be racist if it rhymes in a song. Chelsea have had this reputation for decades, not just with their fans. Look at the reports that came out recently about racism in their academy and also the way they handled John Terry. They don’t care about it. Anyway I’m done. I assume you’ll all stay quiet on the subject and just ignore it.
PEACE OUT9th January 2019 at 7:11 pm #31155
Real shame Paxton as you’re a brilliant poster beneath the Chelsea agenda. Wish you well anyway9th January 2019 at 7:50 pm #31158PaganParticipant261 pts
Evening people, I haven’t posted on here for ages. If anyone remembers I am totally anti VAR.
From last night, a match I didn’t watch as I was coaching, I did however see the penalty/offside decision, offside no, but that’s the problem if the camera isn’t perpendicular to the last man, you can also get parallax error and with the low resolution it’s pointless. The penalty, unfortunately that’s the way the game has gone and would have been given for any team.
What does anoy me is the fact that the official that controls the game doesn’t make the decision and has to uphold someone else’s opinion, and that again is the other problem it’s still opinion based, whereas in Cricket with the other tools available to them it’s done on a matter of fact…..Pagan9th January 2019 at 8:25 pm #31162
V A R is in essence Video Assisted Referee. It’s very easy in a moment to get ourselves in knots, but revisit last night’s incident:
Oliver did not stop play.
Nature was allowed to take it’s course and one ‘incident’ followed another, quickly. Communication transmitted as input.
I would like to think The Ref Michael Oliver HAS the ultimate authority to make the call. That’s my perception of the whole ideology.
I truly hope VAR is NOT in place to undermine the duties of both the Ref and the Lines-people, otherwise, there’s conflict galore. If anything, there’s collaboration.
It’s there in place to support and being smart in how it extracts video footage with accuracy as one would see either from Real Time or the Camera Angles shown by Television Replays.
9th January 2019 at 8:30 pm #31164PaganParticipant261 pts
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Mr. Balance, the ref didn’t review the incident last night, he did as he was told, If we have to have VAR, then in my opinion he has to be the one reviewing the incident, that way all incidents within the game, reviews or not, should have some level of consistency….Pagan9th January 2019 at 8:41 pm #31166nine nine nineModerator749 pts
This is what I don’t understand about last night’s decision as I understood it VAR can only be used to investigate Goals, red cards, penalties and mistaken identity.
Without the use of the VAR rules have changed on that basis VAR shouldn’t have been reviewing the offside because no goal was scored and on that basis it seems to me that the Linesman’s decision should have stood as it pre dated the penalty claim.
All water under the Bridge now though.😊 But I’m still confused.9th January 2019 at 8:45 pm #31168
Opens to interpretation from observation of a fan or anyone else for that matter:
Was Oliver instructed or advised?
Honestly? I want the latter and that’s how it should be.
As far as encouraging transparency goes, definitely for the entire set up placed in the vicinity of the Referee for him to refer to – on ‘Ground Floor’ 😀 🙂 😉9th January 2019 at 8:48 pm #31170
Nine, lol, last line I like mate 😀 🙂 🙂 🙂
Mate, the Second Leg is at the Bridge haha 😛 😉
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