25th September 2019 at 4:33 pm #48415AnonymousInactive366 pts
442, already shitting on Frank? You can’t be serious man.25th September 2019 at 4:38 pm #48416AnonymousInactive366 pts
“I really didn’t think he would have this much of an impact. The biggest compliment I can give him , is there is absolutely nothing to moan about as a Liverpool fan these days. ”
And yet sometimes you’d swear we were down in 10th place. I don’t know if you use fb, or youtube but the waves of people complaining about us not signing anyone the summer gone… I think I had a go at a few on here for similar, I’m glad you’re enjoying the ride though Sean. No signings, yet top of the table. Super early, so it’s close to meaningless but we can only win the points they put in front of us.
There are question marks over the lads fitness though. The summer tournaments did us no favours but you don’t make a permanent signing because of the AFCON.
I can’t wait for every PL game. I was absolutely bricking it during the second half at Chelsea though. We looked spent and it’s a concern, so hopefully just the bench + reserves/kids tonight.25th September 2019 at 4:39 pm #48417PaganParticipant371 pts
442, it would seem you haven’t read many of myself and 999’s conversations, or have a very short memory, we have written reams on the subject of trying to integrate youth players into the first team. No one to my knowledge has lauded Frank to be the best thing since sliced bread, and if you’d read any of my posts when it was rumoured that Frank would be coming you’d find that I’d posted a lot about Frank being the figurehead and Jody being the more experienced coach, and with the involvement of Eddie Newton there would be a great knowledge of the talent in the youth set up.
Regarding the defence v attack imbalance, you can’t teach creativity, you can possibly hone it and improve it, if you could teach it then the world would be full of Eden Hazards, yes you can coach attacking play but that’s not the same. Defence is all about discipline and positioning, and yes you still have to have talent but the art of defending is far easier to coach.
Not sure how relevant Jose is in footy at the moment, his pragmatic style of football doesn’t seem to work anymore and his man management style is out of kilter with the modern footballer.
Foootydebate is a great site, yes there’s a few fallings out, but please try not to bring the TT antagonistic style of posting, civilised debate is far more interesting and enlightening…..Pagan
25th September 2019 at 4:53 pm #48422Brian blueParticipant426 pts
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Pagan, enjoyed your post, I think the biggest problem, if it is a problem, is that fans have a tendency to over analyse this leads to a confrontational conversation . I am sure if they were all sat around a table they would laugh more at each other. I am also an offender of over analysis. I keep telling myself …the game is not a science, it is a sport and perfection will never be attainable or team selections etc never be the same.We do need to enjoy a game of football sometimes no matter who is playing25th September 2019 at 5:06 pm #48423PaganParticipant371 pts
Brian, over analysis, like poor player behaviour in grass roots football is a direct result of TV, the pundits endlessly scrutinise the game and we the viewers then start to do it, much like the kids who play Saturday and Sunday mornings think mouthing off at the refs the done thing because that’s what they see on MOTD and Sky…..Pagan25th September 2019 at 5:08 pm #48424sean the sailorParticipant435 pts
Ye that’s it mak. It’s just a very strange time to be a Liverpool supporter as we are not used to things going so well for us.
I love watching us play. The lads would run through a brick wall for each other
We need to win the league while klopp is here otherwise we won’t for a longtime25th September 2019 at 6:03 pm #48430AnonymousInactive366 pts
Agreed Sean, although I will say that the CL makes his time here at the club a success.25th September 2019 at 9:20 pm #48454nine nine nineModerator915 pts
442, as I have already said previously my position on Sarri was that I thought he deserved another season and my posts reflected that both on here and on the Chelsea site.
Given that we’ve both agreed that the circumstances surrounding the Lampard appointment left us with little choice I can’t see what the point of the argument is.
Of course Lampard is a risky appointment especially with only a season behind him in the Championship but he was the best person to lead the Club through this difficult period and he and his Coaches were closer to the young players that could be promoted to the first team squad than anyone else.
Would as many young players ultimately have been promoted to the first team squad if there wasn’t a transfer ban and Lampard and his team hadn’t been appointed? Probably not but the majority of Chelsea fans have been asking for more of the Club’s brightest young players to be given a chance however even Lampard himself has suggested he would have done things slightly differently were there not a transfer ban and I think the majority of Chelsea fans would agree with that.
A fully fit squad will obviously make us stronger whether it can cover the current weaknesses without making some significant transfers is open to conjecture so roll on the end of the transfer ban.
Personally despite some disappointing results and the obvious defensive flaws I think the signs are positive and personally I think Frank Lampard’ and his Coaches deserves to be backed from Roman down but I acknowledge that’s a personal choice.26th September 2019 at 12:44 pm #48527442Participant58 pts
Mak… I am actually because defensively we are a big mess. Route one V Grimsby, have a look at the positioning of that defence for their goal, take nothing away from the strike, but it was a punt from a keeper into an area defenders have to attack. JT and Cahill’s bread and butter in the past.
Chelsea fans were up in arms at this point last season over Kante being payed out of position which is imo far less of a concern than the house of horrors we are witnessing week in and out at the back.
Third worst defence in the league. After six games last season under Sarri – we had conceded four goals. This season after six games CFC has conceded 12.
Going forward, no issues and the club is far from missing Eden Hazard. Im glad we mugged off Real Madrid for the cash we did. Chelsea are far from missing Hazard. With him in the side last year, we had scored 14 goals after six games, this year we’ve scored 12 league goals. Tammy Abraham is outscoring him too… Anyhow. Why let facts get in the way of the tinted specs…26th September 2019 at 1:13 pm #48528sean the sailorParticipant435 pts
Ah it’s been a huge success mak.
We finished 8th when he came in that October.
For years we haven’t been involved in cup finals. Since he came we are a big club again. Champions league winners and challenging for titles
We hadn’t won anything for 7 yrs. he’s a Liverpool legend26th September 2019 at 1:14 pm #48529AnonymousInactive366 pts
Exactly though, it’s only been 6 games. If you’re like this about it now, you just have to admit that you were never going to give him a fair shot. It took Klopp between 9 months and 2 years to get our defence in order. At one stage the media asked him if he might get fired and fans were questioning if he might never get the defence sorted, if maybe he just didnt have this in his game (myself included). It takes time and the right signings (you can’t make any). You speak about bread and butter for JT and Cahill. Is it Lampards fault that they aren’t here anymore?
I get not being enthused with an ex-player as manager but with the transfer ban, you were never going to get a top manager. As far as how things are going, I would be happy that anything is working right now. You’ve got a few young players coming through and making headlines. You’ve just got Kante back. You might be shipping goals but you’ve scored the 3rd highest goals in the PL.
In Klopp’s first full season in charge, he had 16 goals for and 9 against after 6 games. In Klopp’s second full season in charge he had 12 goals for and 11 against. Should we have gotten rid of him then for being useless, or should we given him the chance to sign the right players?26th September 2019 at 1:21 pm #48530LuckydestinyBlocked110 pts
Why let facts get in the way of the tinted specs… considering the hyperbole that preceded it I find that a marvellously ironic way of ending the post.26th September 2019 at 1:22 pm #48531AnonymousInactive366 pts
Exactly Sean, we’re actually a big club again. It’s hard to believe in a way cause we were so far from anything for years. H&G really dismantled us but wow thankfully there are actually good American owners out there.26th September 2019 at 1:22 pm #48532
im going to jump in here and play devils advocate…..
now i know there seem to be some issues brought over from the “other place” but taking those out of this i honestly dont see much wrong with whats been said.
A fan is worried about his clubs defensive frailties, is that wrong, 6 games or not?
Compared ot the same last year its very different, i thikn its OK to talk about surely?
I dont read it as slating FL he has complimented in other areas like attack, the things as Brian Blue said, we are all a product of wanting perfection from a sport, tho in my case its hardly wanting perfection as much as wanting very highly paid defenders to actually…you know…be able to defend!
Bit different to pool and you cant compare, pool were not where chelsea are when both toook over, pools defense was always bad, nearly as bad as ous and it took a long time to fix and a few errors on the way…FL is starting with a better defense26th September 2019 at 1:28 pm #48534LuckydestinyBlocked110 pts
A fan is worried about his clubs defensive frailties, is that wrong, 6 games or not?
Not at all Stevo, the defence has been really poor, but the point is how can you really make a judgement with conviction until lamps has had the privilege of selecting the same defence week in week out with his best defender and best midfielder available? More over our defence wasnt that great last year under sarri either conceding over a goal per game and we simply do not have the class of defenders at the club as we did in years gone by, that should be obvious to chelsea fans at least if not all prem fans.26th September 2019 at 1:32 pm #48535
course you can, we all have injuries, but if a fan sees a team being set up in away that means they cant defend then surely thats worth a chat? its a message board
seems to me that some feelings around the poster are coming through over and beyond the content of the post….
reminds me of TSO on my board in TT, the fella is black when most fans are white, night and day but he sticks to his guns and its HIS view, annoying as it can be you kinda have to respect that
(Even when he constantly exaults the virtues of Xhaka!!!)
just think the opinion is and of itself worthy even if you disagree and no need for any other “stuff”
but what do i know 🙂26th September 2019 at 1:33 pm #48536442Participant58 pts
Mac… Im simply applying the logic of CFC fans through the years. This is different, it’s frank Lampard… Hero in blue, but im not going to overlook calamitous defending when I see it. But combined with last season and Derby’s form, to this season… The report card from a fan is must do better very quickly because alarm bells are ringing at the type of goal we are conceding. Trent Alexander for example, who was busting a gut to get to the player as quickly as possible to close him down for the goal on the weekend? The guy is a class act with his right boot. Liverpool lucky to have him.
Scoring more than the opponent doesn’t win you titles or trophies as Newcastle fans will attest to. It could be argued about Liverpool too. Without Virgil Liverpool look instantly weaker… So too do Chelsea without Luiz and Cahill. Christiensen struggles to attack a ball in the air, Zouma attacks a ball in the air and misses its flight or lands like an anvil on concrete, rudiger, yet to be 100 percent convinced by him as I think he needs a leader next to him.
Stevo.. How frustrating is it after nearly 18 months of watching Emre’s side conceded in the manner they do. Where’s George Graham and Tony Adams.26th September 2019 at 1:37 pm #48537
442 ive said the same myself many a time, oh to have one of those 2 back just to work on the defense!
and emery has been given a free ride as fans knew its tough to replace AW and the mentality and all that cam with it (shocking squad of overpaid premadonnas)
as much as we have been patient and he has been given time it has not stopped fans calling out things obvious to see, defense or tactics or playing the same player or playing out form the back and inviting pressure, at some point the manager has to be made accountable, no doubt you odnt want FL out but not to over the odds to see an area of major strength beocme weakness….26th September 2019 at 1:37 pm #48538AnonymousInactive366 pts
Steveo, There’s nothing wrong with being concerned and this palce is dull without disagreement, as long as it’s civil anyway. For me though 442 has pre-judged Lampard. He’s already failed at the club after 6 games, instead of looking at 6 games as pretty much the smallest useful data sample that it really is. As for Liverpool always having a poor defence. I mean, you’re not wrong but in 13/14 (year Rodgers nearly won the PL), we had conceded only 4 goals in the opening 6. That’s better than even now and we’re level on the best defence in the country so far. Rodgers team was known for it’s attack too, as you may recall. Your point still rings true, it’s just that i thought that was worth mentioning because it shows that Klopp didn’t just join a bunch of clowns who conceded 4 every…. wait, well he kinda did ! haha 😛 It was during 13/14 that the “you score 2? we’ll score 4” thing started happening for us again, for the first time since Roy Evans. We finished 13/14 with 101 for and 50 against.
Getting back on track though, I just think it’s silly to write a manager off after 6 games. Seems 442 had just written him off before a ball was kicked, as he spoke of his time at derby. I mean, that was a different job. You’re definitely pre-judging if you’re doing that.26th September 2019 at 1:41 pm #48539
Mak, maybe its just me but its not how i have read the4 posts, thats like saying he has judged FL good enough in attack….i think he needs time and id be surprised if 442 wouldnt give it to him but lets not molly coiddle to much the managers when they mess up, as Maureen said recently, applaud failure and it becomes accepted…
maybe we can cut the confusion….
442 what is your opinion on FL after 6 games and how long are you willing to gove him
i do notice that much of what is being said is the different ways fans treat different managers, think that will always be the case tho and more polarised when a manager is a former fan fav and hero of the club….
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